[Darth Crow]

Hey guys...
I've just finished G1 for 81248712nd time and I'm starting G2 for 73415413rd time. And I'm, once again, wondering, why did the Unnamed hero HAVE to lose ALL his knowledge and powers.
I mean, I understand that it's a new game and you have to start from nothing again and blah blah...
But, come on, would you forget how to use a sword just because you nearly died? (Ehm... that "just" word may sound... inappropriate ) Or how to skin a wolf? It is a bit illogical, isn't it?

So I just thought I'd share an idea I had, and an idea I have used for a couple of games now. In the end of G1, just before I pierce the last heart, I write down my stats (STR, DEX, HP, LP and MANA), and, at the beginning of G2, I add ONE FIFTH (as Xardas said "He's weak, and has forgotten much...") of the values to my characters abilities.

I'm sure someone would call this cheating, but come on, NOTR is quite hard, anyway :P Of course I don't add the "mastery" skills, because beginning the game as a master swordsman would certainly make it a LOT less difficult...

An example: My ending G1 stats were:
HP: 601
STR: 201
DEX: 131
MANA: 115
and I even spared some 15 LP's

So at the beginning of G2, my stats are:
HP: 120
STR: 40
DEX: 26
MANA: 23

So, as you see, this doesn't nescessarily make the game too easy, but seems more just to me, as I spent hours getting those stats in G1.

What do you think? And please, don't hit me!

[.†.MikeL.†.]

Would it be as fun as it is right now to play Gothic 2 if you are from the very beginning a top fighter? Certainly not and since it's a game they have all the right in the world to be excused for an unorthodox way to lose your powers.

[WernerTWC]

What do you think? And please, don't hit me!

[Bild: seng2433.gif] ... cheater.

Logical or not, it's gameplay VS. reality, IMHO a good part of the game is to gather the skills and build the hero, every hero import spoils the fun for me.

[Darth Crow]

Logical or not, it's gameplay VS. reality, IMHO a good part of the game is to gather the skills and build the hero, every hero import spoils the fun for me.

Of course, you are right there, sir. But if I wanted to "import hero", I'd just add my full stats even with weapon proficiencies... that's not what I had in mind... I just wanted to create an illusion that it's the same guy I finished the first part with
Additionally I think that this would be a nice method for people who find NOTR too hard to make the beginnings easier

Anyway, mostly I wanted to hear your opinion on the losing-stats-after-every-part business. At the beginning of G3, you have 100 strenght, which would indicate that you have not mysteriously lost all your strenght, IF the requirements of the weapons weren't so high. It seems that Piranhas only multiplied everything tenfold...

[NCONiall]

I don't know why but the Hero to Zero feeling feels good , if it wasn't there it would make the game a little easier at the start, I remember those young field raiders the first time I played the game...

[Cyclops1953]

I believe he lost it all because of his battle with the Sleeper and the collapse of the barrier,add to that the fact that half the temple came down on top of him.some say that he actually died and that Xardas brought him back to life(3 weeks later)

Btw at the beginning of G2,his stats are:
HP: 40
STR: 10
DEX: 10
MANA: 10

[The Shield]

Xardas Recicled his soul and body....that's why he's a weakling!!

[MisterQwerty]

This is a rather interesting question. However, he doesn't lose ALL his knowledge. If you remember, at the beginning of Gothic 1, he swung 1-handers with 2 hands. In Gothic 2, he only uses one hand.

Of course, he's also forgotten more about the VoM than just his skills. He has only a vague memory of some of the more important characters he knew (Except for Xardas, which is really easily explainable if Xardas magically replanted the memories while reviving him.)

I think this is a pretty interesting way to play, but I also think it unbalances the game a little. What you should do is get the NotR customizer, and change the game to make it harder. To make up for the fact that you've already got a higher level from G1, you should get XP much slower. Also, most of the G2 bandits are too weak to have survived the VoM, so raise enemy hitpoints. Try to impose limits that make sense, given the fact that you kept 1/3 of your levels.

[Jaspper]

The most enjoyable thing about G2 is starting from scratch and building the character. I wish G3 had adopted the smae concept, it would have been far more enjoyable.

[warstrike]

as far as i know ,when trying to flee the sleeper`s temple (after banishing him) a part of the building falls on him ,making him unconscious ,perhaps losing his memory from a hit to the head ,or i don`t know ...

[Larisa]

would you forget how to use a sword just because you nearly died?

Being buried under that rubble, at some point the brain was cut out from the blood for 2 minutes. Parts of his cerebellum died. That's why he forgot stuff.

[Nisarg]

Being buried under that rubble, at some point the brain was cut out from the blood for 2 minutes. Parts of his cerebellum died. That's why he forgot stuff.

Proof?

But yes, it seems that he did hit his head and forgot quite a bit. The weakness and lack of dexterity are probably because he was completely inactive and starving at the same time for 3 weeks. The magic of his armour just kept him alive, and Xardas probably managed to give him enough strength and agility to perform basic actions like moving, etc. But since he should be dead anyway, it is logical that he was badly weakened during the time spent living under a rock.

And lacking all the practice, all the strength and dexterity and what not to wield weapons properly, it is not surprising that he just can't fight. However, this explains his exceptional learning ability quite well, unlike Gothic.

[TudoracheMG]

He had a massive internal bleeding

[SkullX]

As someone above said...he still remember something something like, in G1 he weild 1H with BOTH HANDS...and when he becomed master with 1, in G2 he still holds it with 1h at the start....he remember the lesson he learned 'Beginners often weild 1h with both hands, now don't even get to that thing'=>as some teachers told him in G1

[ApocaliptioGod]

amnesia...you have option to chose that you don't remember gorn, Cavalorn... is that clear enaught ?

[ICFabian]

Being buried under that rubble, at some point the brain was cut out from the blood for 2 minutes. Parts of his cerebellum died. That's why he forgot stuff.

Heh. Too bad they didn't have House back then. He'd've fixed him right up.

[MisterQwerty]

amnesia...you have option to chose that you don't remember gorn, cavalelorn... is that clear enaught ?

Apparently, you forgot Cavelorn's name in real life, too :P

[Hellbilly]

Apparently, you forgot Cavelorn's name in real life, too :P

As did you. Cavalorn...

[CrashMorraKan]

Hey guys...
I've just finished G1 for 81248712nd time and I'm starting G2 for 73415413rd time. And I'm, once again, wondering, why did the Unnamed hero HAVE to lose ALL his knowledge and powers.
I mean, I understand that it's a new game and you have to start from nothing again and blah blah...
But, come on, would you forget how to use a sword just because you nearly died? (Ehm... that "just" word may sound... inappropriate ) Or how to skin a wolf? It is a bit illogical, isn't it?

So I just thought I'd share an idea I had, and an idea I have used for a couple of games now. In the end of G1, just before I pierce the last heart, I write down my stats (STR, DEX, HP, LP and MANA), and, at the beginning of G2, I add ONE FIFTH (as Xardas said "He's weak, and has forgotten much...") of the values to my characters abilities.

I'm sure someone would call this cheating, but come on, NOTR is quite hard, anyway :P Of course I don't add the "mastery" skills, because beginning the game as a master swordsman would certainly make it a LOT less difficult...

An example: My ending G1 stats were:
HP: 601
STR: 201
DEX: 131
MANA: 115
and I even spared some 15 LP's

So at the beginning of G2, my stats are:
HP: 120
STR: 40
DEX: 26
MANA: 23

So, as you see, this doesn't nescessarily make the game too easy, but seems more just to me, as I spent hours getting those stats in G1.

What do you think? And please, don't hit me!

i agree with everything and it's true! make big sense to me, however im a cheat hater so if even it's unfair i still don't use cheats.

[Cyclops1953]

"So at the beginning of G2, my stats are:
HP: 120
STR: 40
DEX: 26
MANA: 23"

at the beginning of G2,his stats are:
HP: 40
STR: 10
DEX: 10
MANA: 10

Consider this,with normal starting stats you can play and build NH successfully.To add those stats in would tend to make the start way too easy.the srars of enemies in the early part of the game are set to fit with NH's stats at the begining.by pumping up his stats you are giving him an unfair advantage.

If it is too easy is it really worth playing?