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Zitat von TheThordir
A way of living, cultural background, the "well,everything" of Japan and Romania, the languege, religion etc.
I still don't get it. I said one thing, you said something completely non sequitur.
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"You underestimate the influence a country's language and tradition have on a normal person.If you went to live in Japan,a totally different country compared to Romania in terms of...well,everything,you would more likely connect with another Romanian living there than a japanese.You may not have many things in common apart from the nationality but still,you'll be drawn to him/her.Not to mention the home-sickness."
Isn't this made possible by a countries culture, and not nationality?
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Zitat von The Pope
And it's one of the most noble feelings in the world, that of being a true patriot.
Why?
Pwned.
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Wouldn't it be better if we all were patriots to the nations of Terra, and loyal to Humanity as a whole.
There have long been two accepted forms of nationalism: Cultural/ethnic nationalism and Civic nationalism. Some experts define them as follows. Cultural nationalism refers to, ‘a sense of community which focuses on beliefs in myths of common ancestry; and on the perception that these myths are validated by contemporary similarities of Physiognomy, language or religion. The similarities with the nationalisms of Northern Ireland, Romania and Moldova are obvious. For some Civic some nationalism is a sense where, ‘‘all citizens, irrespective of their diverse ancestry, comprise a community with a common destiny’. This is the type of nationalism, I and most people would subscribe to.
Zitat von The Pope
And, IMO, those who are able to forget their origins and their country with such ease and adopt the culture of other countries so rapidly, have no soul at all.
Spoken like a true nationalist. If he isn't with us, then he is subhuman and against us. Also, define me what a soul means to you.
Geändert von Hav'caaren An'givare (04.02.2011 um 10:03 Uhr)
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Zitat von The Pope
those who are able to forget their origins and their country with such ease and adopt the culture of other countries so rapidly, have no soul at all.
Lolno. First of all, souls don't exist.
Second... Um, let's just say I have a personality, an inner life, hobbies, preferences, friends, moral views, mindset, etc. And I can gladly assent that none of those have anything to do with my nationality, birthplace, or the language I speak daily. If I let myself be limited by the aforementioned thing, I wouldn't be a quarter of the, I'd fain believe, educated person I am now. Why would I even associate with someone of my own nationality if I have nothing in common with them? The other person could be a manelist thief, for all I know, and I'd rather put a solid 30 kilometre wall between me and them than just go with them and gallivant across fields of poppies.
Many of my friends [read: most] aren't even Romanian. I have friends from South Africa, Asia, America, UK, and so on. And I can unperturbedly declare that they are faaaar more interesting than the usual Romanian.
But, anyway... I'm skirting dangerously close to the specific... so let me add this: even if I weren't Romanian, I still wouldn't harbour sentiments of patriotism, because it'd go against my worldview.
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Zitat von The Pope
No one said that you should talk only to those of your own nationality, but if you're in a country where almost everyone is a stranger to you, your soul will simply warm itself when you meet one of your own nationality. Feelings such as patriotism and nationalism are IMO amongst the most sacred and holy ones. It's something that can't be described in words. The bond between me and my country is one that can't be broken or diminished by anything. For example, when I am on holiday in a foreign country, no matter how much I enjoy that place and how many pleasant and interesting places I visit, when I see another Romanian or a symbol reminding me of my country, I realize that my heart belongs only to my nation and my country, and that no matter what beauties other countries have to offer, I could never stand living in a country other than Romania. If I went to live in another country, it would be like I ceased to have a soul, that's the way I feel, and that's what being a nationalist really means: being one with the country and actually not being able to live without it. And it's one of the most noble feelings in the world, that of being a true patriot. And, IMO, those who are able to forget their origins and their country with such ease and adopt the culture of other countries so rapidly, have no soul at all.
...No.
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Zitat von The Pope
Our inner part which enables us to have good feelings.
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That is called a brain, and not a soul.
Emotion Location
With all the other things it does, is it any surprise that the brain runs your emotions? Maybe you got the exact toy you wanted for your birthday and you were really happy. Or your friend is sick and you feel sad. Or your little brother messed up your room, so you're really angry! Where do those feelings come from? Your brain, of course.
Your brain has a little bunch of cells on each side called the amygdala (say: uh-mig-duh-luh). The word amygdala is Latin for almond, and that's what this area looks like. Scientists believe that the amygdala is responsible for emotion. It's normal to feel all different kinds of emotions, good and bad. Sometimes you might feel a little sad, and other times you might feel scared, or silly, or glad.
source: Brains, yummy
Oh, I also forgot, it's ones culture, and not Nationality which defines a person, and there is also the fact that a person's personality is shaped not by a combination of nature or nurture, but a combination of both. nationality is just one small fraction of who you are. Too small; By your logic we can all say things like:
TheThordir is Romania, so clearly he is ... <insert stuff relating to my nationality, race, belief, etc>
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
Albert Einstein.
What is nationalism? Its definition is inextricably linked to the definition of nation: "a large aggregate of people united by common descent, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory" (OED). It is important to distinguish nation from state. They are not the same thing, even though we speak of the nation state, which is a political state comprised, ideally, of a single nation, where membership of this single nation is determined by descent, culture or language.
This idea of "descent, culture or language" is a bit cumbersome, but fortunately the English language blesses us with a shorthand term for this: ethnicity. There is a technical distinction between ethnicity and race - race is more about biology - but they are forever linked in the mind of the racist as the basis of what makes him different to the hated Other.
It's easy to see how the sentiment underlying racism - the belief that one race is intrinsically superior to another - is a kind of pure prejudice that can be, and almost universally is, applied to groups defined by factors other than race, such as gender and sexuality: sexism is the belief that one gender is intrinsically superior to another. Is there really any difference between sexism and racism here? The object of prejudice is different, but the sentiment isn't. These isms are all unjustified prejudice, distilled into pure form. And here's the point:
Nationalism is just another ism.
Is it a coincidence that the BNP (the British National Party) and the Nazis (National Socialists) are vicious racists? Of course not. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that the belief that your nation is intrinsically better than another is plain old racism. The distinction is maintained by piling universal scorn on racism but none on nationalism. The Sun will happily print headlines bashing "the feelthy Frogs" and "lout Krauts", but do they have the balls to tell us what they think about spics, wops, niggers and ragheads?
Another ism indeed. Nationalism should be treated with the same contempt racism and sexism is. The more we divide ourselves the more conflict arises. But hey, I'm a realist, even if we get over racism (not im my lifetime for sure), sexism and all the isms you can think of, I'm sure we'll invent new ways to differentiate and hate on one another.
Geändert von Hav'caaren An'givare (04.02.2011 um 14:42 Uhr)
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Italians must be so proud of their president. In an age of darkness, intolerance and ignorance, Silvio Berlusconi fights for justice and acceptance, of respect and friendship towards Romanians. What mean people call an affair, is actually the act of love and tolerance Berlusconi shows for the poor Romanian women going to Italy to make ends meet.
Mr President, I salute you!-
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Zitat von TheThordir
Italians must be so proud of their president. In an age of darkness, intolerance and ignorance, Silvio Berlusconi fights for justice and acceptance, of respect and friendship towards Romanians. What mean people call an affair, is actually the act of love and tolerance Berlusconi shows for the poor Romanian women going to Italy to make ends meet.
Mr President, I salute you!-
Berlusconi is actually considered a hooligan and attention whore by the other politicians in the world
Proof
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Zitat von Voice of Liberty
Berlusconi is actually considered a hooligan and attention whore by the other politicians in the world
Proof
o_0 He's a PM ? Why did I had the impression that he was the President?
Every time we here about Italy it's Berlusconi this, Berlusconi that, he has a new ho, he adopted a crack whore. Bah, who cares anyway, he wouldn't be the first PM who has more powah than the pres.
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Zitat von TheThordir
o_0 He's a PM ? Why did I had the impression that he was the President?
Nope he's a PM. Only in France Presidents have more influence than PMs (Sarkozy is a President).
Of course you can call a PM either "president of his party" or "president of the government".
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Zitat von TheThordir
o_0 He's a PM ? Why did I had the impression that he was the President?
Every time we here about Italy it's Berlusconi this, Berlusconi that, he has a new ho, he adopted a crack whore.
First off, in Italy prime ministers have more responsibilities (lol) than the president, and second, the problem is not that he had a new hoe, even though the media, at least here, tried to portray it that way. The problem is that he lied to law enforcement in order to get his hoe out of jail, and abused his position of power in the meantime; "Let her go, she's Mubarak's niece."
There are so many things wrong with that statement even if it was true - whoever she was, she was arrested for theft, and Mubarak's family or Berlusconi's friends aren't exempt from Italian laws when they're here.
The problem is certainly not his dick in and of itself, it's the fact that he lies, abuses his position and behaves as if risking an international incident is just fine if you need a crappy excuse to get your barely legal fuck out of jail.
And the worst part is that whoever was responsible to keep the bitch in jail DID let the bitch go, despite the fact that their responsibity was exactly to keep her in jail at least until her identity could be confirmed (yes, we let a thief without identity out because our PM, which is a position which has nothing to do with law enforcement, said so).
Geändert von Bastardo (05.02.2011 um 16:28 Uhr)
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Zitat von Hellbilly
Not bad, considering Khomeini's been dead for over 20 years.
I got mixed up with the names. I actually meant Ali Khamenei.
Damn, and it took me so long to find out that both guys are chaps with similar names in the same business.
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I noticed couple of years ago that Romanians hijacked this forums. I'm so smart. I can jizz without to touch.
Geändert von Black Sphere (19.02.2011 um 01:17 Uhr)
Grund: to rite write nation's name
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Zitat von Black Sphere
I noticed couple of years ago that Romanians hijacked this forums. I'm so smart. I can jizz without to touch.
Our loathsome grip tightens around this forum's neck, squeezing!~
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This thread
Mister The Pope, i don't know how old you are but, your views on the "past" era with "I am not saying that Ceausescu was good, but he was still better than Basescu" are nothing short of ...the anti Basescu party? )
Most of your posts here, along with the OP, summarize what is IMHO the biggest problem with Romania at this point. There are no debates, political or otherwise. The only thing you hear from the opposition , 24/7, on their "on the pay" TV channels is how bad the current government is, insults,etc. A mass political propaganda that blames the government for EVERYTHING. A lot of people fall victims to this kind of propaganda and believe that "Ceausescu was good, but he was still better than Basescu" or something similar.
It is sad to see how the hearts and minds of so many people can be manipulated so easily. That is what happens when people are desperate, they want a scape goat, the promise that there is an easy solution to their problems. There is no such thing. Romania was "destroyed" by the very people/ partys that are now blaming the current government.How ironic is that? Do people have such short memory?
Pathetic.
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Zitat von megalex
Romania was "destroyed" by the very people/ partys that are now blaming the current government.How ironic is that?
Very. But it seems to be happening quite often all around the world.
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