[OldFatGuy]

NOTE: This is a copy of a post in the Gothic Discussion forum. I messed up and put it there first before realizing it should be here in the help section. Hopefully a mod can delete the other one. Very sorry for my mistake.

Hi folks, sorry for posting about such an old game (Gothic I), but I am stuck I think. I don't want to be given any spoilers though, so I would like to ask my question in a way that the answer won't be a spoiler. OK???

I am in the Sleepers Temple. I have killed 3 of the Orc Shaman undead, along with several Fanatic Templars. I have arrived at this place now that looks like it may be the final place of the Sleeper. I walked along a place that had lava under me, into a building that contained two fanatic templers, then out the other end to a bridge like the bridge to the Orc Town. Crossing the bridge brought me to an orc shaman who my weapons don't do any damage. This is where I'm stuck.

Question 1) Have I gotten there too soon? In other words, did I miss out on 1 or 2 orc shamans that I should've found before I got here or is 3 correct?

Question 2) I have kill undead scroll, so I'm guessing that will take care of this guy (I haven't tried it yet) but before I do wanted to know if you would recommend me leaving the temple and searching for a better weapon out in the world and upgrading my 2 handed sword skill first?

Any answers very much appreciated.

Thanks to all.

[Hellbilly]

Copy of my post in GD:

You need to explore the temple more; there is a special item there somewhere which will be able to dispose of the seemingly invincible orc shaman.

[kojocel]

Question 1) Have I gotten there too soon? In other words, did I miss out on 1 or 2 orc shamans that I should've found before I got here or is 3 correct?

Question 2) I have kill undead scroll, so I'm guessing that will take care of this guy (I haven't tried it yet) but before I do wanted to know if you would recommend me leaving the temple and searching for a better weapon out in the world and upgrading my 2 handed sword skill first?

First and foremost §welcome

Question 1: Not necessarily too soon, but before last orc shaman you indeed need to kill 4 others, which means you missed one.
Question 2: You're guessing wrong: Death to the Undead won't help you in the case of last shaman, as it's related to the story. Just hit him a few times with your sword (in case you haven't already) and Journal notes will tell you that you need another weapon. That weapon is inside the Sleeper Temple, you don't need to go out for it.

As for weapon advice: if you're a fighter, then yes, it's better if you learn two-handed weapon fighting up to Master level. If you're a magician, you don't need to. I, for example, didn't learn two-handed weapons at all.

Hope this helped.

[OldFatGuy]

THANK YOU both so much for answering without giving too much away. I did indeed find the shaman I was missing, and this one not only had the sword on his body after looting, but there was a "strange sword" laying in the vicinity.

However, it won't let me use this strange sword. So I'm guessing I have to leave the temple anyway. I didn't really want to leave because I don't have another spell scroll to get back in and am not sure how to get back in but don't tell me, I'll work on that later. I know Ur-Shak told me there was another way in, so I'm just going to have to figure that one out I guess. Although if there is another spell scroll somewhere that I missed, I wouldn't mind someone pointing that out to me (without it's location) so at least then I would know I could also be looking for that.

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and leave the temple now and talk to Xardas. That seems to be the hint given from this "strange sword" since it said I shouldn't use it until "Xardas identified it."

What a great game. Old but my gosh this (and Gothic 2) might just be the best series I've EVER played on any platform IMO. Especially 2, my gosh that one had so much humor in it there was times I was literally in tears from laughter. I would tell of one such time since that one was probably unique in what happened to me, but that would need to be another post...

THANKS AGAIN, and happy adventuring!!!!

[OldFatGuy]

Well, I've identified the sword as Uriziel, and I've recharged it with Milton's help.

So now I need to get back into the orc temple, but when I use magic to remove the artifact from atop the thing the orcs are praying too, they immediately start attacking me and I'm surrounded and die.

So I'm guessing my only chance is to go in that camp, crossbow ablazing, so to speak, and just kill 'em all.

If that's NOT what I should do, could someone just please post here and tell me NO don't do that, and then I'll lood for other options.

Actually, I'm so frustrated now that perhaps I would accepts a spoiler as to another way in the temple if killing them all isn't the answer.

Thanks for any replies.

EDIT: Ugh, I think I'm going to have to take back my accolades for Gothic 1. I beat Gothic 2, and loved it, but this one is impossible at the end. You try and and stab those five hearts and if the big spider or whatever doesn't fry you then these huge demon beasts do. No fricking way. I've tried over a dozen times, and that IMO makes it stupid. What a great game just to get to the end and the developers think they have to make it impossible.

Oh well, I was going to go through again as a mage, but not now.

So, anyway, it's ok no one responded. I got to the end, and discovered just how impossible it is. Won't waste anymore time on that.

[kojocel]

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Hey there OldFatGuy,

Don't be mad about it.

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Let me help you out a bit: when you're trying to enter the temple, you can of course use Orc Teleport Scroll, but also (as I figured you already know) use Telekinses spell on the statuette orc shamans are praying to. That statuette is Sleeper Idol, and they pray / making sacrifices to him to actually appease the demon.

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If you move the statuette, the orcs will get aggressive and will attack you (even if you are wearing Ulu-Mulu), as you desecrated their shrine.
The simple solution is simply to kill every orc in orc town, so that you won't have any problems with them afterwards.

As for the fight in Sleeper's room, that can get tricky, but not if you're being careful (being the last and a boss fight, I assume we both agree it must be at least somehow difficult ).
Now, if you're a fighter type,

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(I don't remember exactly about Cor Kalom and his followers) you can harm the demon that spawns after you pierce a heart only with Uriziel (two-haded sword), that's why I advised you in the above post to learn two-hander mastery. If you're a magician, you can exchange the enhanced sword Uriziel at Xardas for a normal Uriziel and a powerful area-of-effect rune, called Uriziel Wave of Death, which again, is the only spell that can harm anything that moves inside the Sleeper's room.

As a hint, at some point, you can become magician even if you trained all the game as fighter (as I did, for instance), but you'll need extra LPs for every Circle of Magic you are to be initiated into.

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And remember that Uriziel Wave fo Death requires the 6th Circle.

I hope this helped your adventure.

[Cyclops1953]

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As a melee fighter I also train enough to use best crossbow.In Sleeper chamber lure Kalom's followers one at a time by shooting at them,only the one you shoot will come running,kill each one out of site of the rest.continue this process 'til only Kalom remains. Shoot him to draw him to you then switch to Uriziel and kill him.If you do this right he will not wake the Sleeper.now it should be a lot easier to finish.

[Bastardo]

What a great game just to get to the end and the developers think they have to make it impossible.

What? You might be missing something, I don't know.

Can the Sleeper hit you when you stand in place after inserting a sword? I remember I inserted a sword, simply turned around and dealt with the demon right there, ran to the next hole thing, and repeated. My HP bar didn't seem to care much for the Sleeper during the whole process.

[C-Hawk]

I got burned and stood there useless for 6 secs or so, getting hit by the next fireball re-load, did it again, I stood far enough from the Sleeper to evade the balls, and kill him, I was dissapointed though, when the end-movie appeared after the last sword, not even a couple of kick-ass blows to him, damn. (though only in the movie)

[Alwin]

Ugh, I think I'm going to have to take back my accolades for Gothic 1. I beat Gothic 2, and loved it, but this one is impossible at the end. Yadda yadda yadda.

Impossible? I feel insulted. Of course you enjoyed the ending of G2, because it was no challenge at all. In contrast to all the other forumers who found it an epic disappointment. How is it impossible? You're so beefed up at the end, with so much equipment, all the novices are easy to take out if you fight smart. On the other hand, it's at least a worthy end fight. Unlike G2... Bottom line, if you think G1 is impossible, you probably haven't played any reasonably challenging games.

But hey, if you don't want to play G1 anymore, try G3. Just for the love of Innos, DON'T switch on Alternative Balancing if you do. It would make the fights at least somewhat difficult *ahem* impossible.

[OldFatGuy]

Impossible? I feel insulted. Of course you enjoyed the ending of G2, because it was no challenge at all. In contrast to all the other forumers who found it an epic disappointment. How is it impossible? You're so beefed up at the end, with so much equipment, all the novices are easy to take out if you fight smart. On the other hand, it's at least a worthy end fight. Unlike G2... Bottom line, if you think G1 is impossible, you probably haven't played any reasonably challenging games.

But hey, if you don't want to play G1 anymore, try G3. Just for the love of Innos, DON'T switch on Alternative Balancing if you do. It would make the fights at least somewhat difficult *ahem* impossible.

Well, FWIW, you're totally right and I'm totally wrong. I got frustrated after my first 15 or so tries and posted before THINKING. Yeah, that thing God gave us a brain for. I was just so frustrated that I not only played without THINKING, I posted without THINKING.

My bad all the way around. Yes, I too beat it, and realized all I had to do was step back a minute and THINK but nooooooooo, I posted in the heat of the moment.

I would say that next time I'll THINK before posting, but that might be a promise I won't keep. So instead, I'll just say you're right, I'm wrong, and yes this game is NOT IMPOSSIBLE to beat. You just need to THINK first. You'd THINK I would've learned that by now at my age. You'd be wrong.

[C-Hawk]

G3 isn't impossible with AB 'on' its only somewhat harder, are you a die-hard???

In most games I'm not but with G3 and Arcania *I won't call it G4 because it ain't Gothic* I am at least totally with Arcania, well, this is my 1st time and I immediately chose Gothic-style*there should be standing; Arcane. *duh*

I don't re-start from the beginning when I die so...