[Nisarg]

Excellent! If nothing else, this programme can surely help with retexturing.

[Ice_Dragon]

Hallo Baltram

köntest du vielleicht auch eins für Gothic 3 erstellen ?

[Baltram]

Hallo Baltram

köntest du vielleicht auch eins für Gothic 3 erstellen ?

Vllt schon - die Frage ist vor allem wann. Ich arbeite immoment erstmal daran, dass die Konvertierung auch andersrum funktioniert. Wenn ich damit fertig bin kann ich mal schauen wie groß der Unterschied zwischen xmac und xact ist. Wenn er ziemlich gering ist (was ich erwarte) kann ich das ganze mal schnell umschreiben und für G3 rausbringen. Ansonsten werde ich mich erst mit den G3 3D-Formaten (dafür dann aber auch mit allen) beschäftigen, wenn ich alle die von Risen abgearbeitet habe (was noch ne ganze Weile dauern wird). Kann aber auch sein, dass ich den Aufwand dann als zu groß einschätze, eben je nachdem wie stark sich die Formate unterscheiden. Mal sehen.

(Mein Über-Ziel ist übrigens schon lange ein größeres Tool, dass alle G3 und Risen 3D-Formate lesen und schreiben kann)

EDIT (12/9/2010):
New version 4.0: Both xmac2obj and importWavefrontObject use now the proper coordinate systems.

[Tosyk]

Sorry, but your script (importXmacRiggingAndSkinning_packed) gets me an error
1. open script
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2. chose Ani_Hero_Armor_Don._xmac file
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3. and get error
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i think your tool is very-very good, but please help me Baltram

[Baltram]

@Tosyk
Could you please test whether this one works?
If you don't already you have to use xmac2obj v4.0 (so the coordinate systems fit together).

[Tosyk]

@Tosyk
Could you please test whether this one works?
If you don't already you have to use xmac2obj v4.0 (so the coordinate systems fit together).

no, it doesn't work, error:

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i need to convert models from risen with original bone system, weight and skin options.

please, Baltram, help me solving this issue.

[Baltram]

Of course, you first have to convert the mesh included in the XMAC file to OBJ format and import it (eg. "Ani_Hero_Armor_Don.obj") into Max. Then you can run the script and it should work:

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Since I don't own Max I unfortunately can only test the script in GMax.

[Tosyk]

I'm not importing obj file. I'm trying it right now and posting here my results.
Tnank you Baltram!

ADD:
Thank you! Now is everything work just great!
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tell me, your script importing original weight data on the models, or it's just generated new weight data?

[Baltram]

tell me, your script importing original weight data on the models, or it's just generated new weight data?

It reads the original weight data. There's also something which can't (yet) be read and is only estimated by the script - it's the size of the bones.

[Tosyk]

Ok, i understand

One more question: is it possible to convert models from gothic 3 with bones? I know that someone above asked you about importing from/into the gothic 3, but i don't know dutch well.

[Baltram]

One more question: is it possible to convert models from gothic 3 with bones? I know that someone above asked you about importing from/into the gothic 3, but i don't know dutch well.

I'd have to analyse Gothic 3 xact format (which is not equal to xmac format) and build some new scripts / converters. I might do that some day but at the moment I have other stuff to do (for example obj2xmac - importing own characters / monsters into Risen).

P.S. It's German not Dutch.

[Tosyk]

P.S. It's German not Dutch.

Sorry for my mistake

So, exporting in risen's understandable format will be great. Thanks for your work.

You don't mind if i using your tools for writhing import-tutorial in my blog? Of course i'm telling that everything is thanks to you.

p.s.: i'll be waiting for possibilities of import/export models from/into the Gothic 3

ADD:

blog

[Baltram]

You don't mind if i using your tools for writhing import-tutorial in my blog?

Of course you may do so - I'm looking forward to it!

[Tosyk]

Of course you may do so - I'm looking forward to it!

Vielen Dank Very good community and very quality specialists here, btw.

ADD:
Can you tell me where i can find information about what characters what model using? Because i supposed in Risen used composite characters from different models.

ADD2:
OMG. I get this error when i imported obj model via the wavefront import script (in the left), but with 3ds max plugin obj imported fine (in the right). Please help

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ADD3:
I wrote tutorial about converting Risen 3d game models into the 3ds Max in my blog. Only in Russian yet. Thanks Baltram for your help.

[Baltram]

Can you tell me where i can find information about what characters what model using? Because i supposed in Risen used composite characters from different models.

The information about which models for head / body are used is stored in lrent files. You can retrieve it for example by using Shak-otay's Lrenter:

Spoiler:(zum lesen bitte Text markieren)

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-631938...poser.jpg.html
http://www.file-upload.net/download-...enter.zip.html

General remark:

the Lrenter will not prevent you from doing nonsense.
In this case don't be surprised if the game crashes.

Composing Risen - NPCs
-----------------------

Yeah, 'composing' does not mean 'creating'!

It means that we can "fill" our binary NPC-templates with
nearly all components that Risen provides except
'Teaching', 'Trading' and ? (I just forgot them...)

Helmets? Hmm, I found no NPC with a helmet in the demo version.

And we can't create our own bodies (armors), faces and so on.

So here we go:
-------------

there are two ways to supply mod data for the game:

copying the modified lrent to application data or
packing it with NicoDE's Risenpak.exe into a projects.p0x-file.

For modding purposes it is more convenient to choose the first way
so I copied the "Buck_Druid_Outdoor_NPC_01.lrent" to

C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\[user account]\Lokale Einstellungen\
Anwendungsdaten\Risen\data\common\projects\World\Outdoor\Druid_Outdoor

in english this should be
C:\documents and settings\[user account]\local settings\
application data\Risen\data\common\projects\World\Outdoor\Druid_Outdoor

(For XP; for other OPSystems try RisenAppData.cmd by NicoDE.
Yes, you should really try it, because in Win7 it's "appdata", not "application data".
)

(The lrent is the one from my companion mod to maintain compatibility.
It's the original "plus" Buck.)

So start the Lrenter, 'File open', load the mentioned lrent
---------------------------------------------------------

• Entities manage
• choose Jasmin in the first combobox
• push button 'save bin' -> the binary template will be created

(no, it's no tple, but it nearly contains the same data)

• push 'others' in the append-group box and load 'Jasmin.bin'
  (the template we saved in the step above)
• push button 'Ok'

>>> now something important: the file has to be saved (File save)
and reloaded but pay attention that you load the file with
the preceding underscore ('_')

Then select the 4th entry in the first combo box.
------------------------------------------------
(Be aware you don't choose the second one; it's the original Jasmin.)

Now the next step will be editing the appended binary NPC-template;
choose items, head and armor (body).

• push button 'properties'
• rename 'Jasmin' to 'Sheena' for example (upper left editbox)

The Item-GuIDs in the inventory in the middle left inventory-combobox
can be replaced by selecting an item in the middle right Item-combobox.

>>> Remember that you have to press the replace button EACH time you want
to replace an item.

I changed the ore value from 10 to 50 and replaced the It_Scr_Light
by an It_Scr_Protection. As head I liked to use Hero_Head_Woman_S2.

• push button 'replace' then button 'Ok'
• enter some different coordinates (near Neil): -22386 8000 14000
  (-180 degrees)
• push button 'change'
• then push button 'Ok'in the 'manage entities' window

last not least save the modified lrent with 'File save'

>>> Do not forget to remove the leading underscore in the filename
before starting the game.

(You will not see Sheena's name ingame as long as you don't insert
a 'FO_Sheena' to the focus.tab and create a packed strings.p00)

Sheena is 'on the run' to meet Jasmin because they share the same
FreePoint.

So the last thing will be to create a FreePoint for Sheena.
But that's another story...

using the composer

Remember that there is NO "single undo" - only a complete one!

Before replacing an item-GuID you should notice the
item name in case you want to undo this change.

Same with the Head/Body - GuIDs.

Especially when making a fault on a WRS-replacement you'll
have to close the NPC-Properties window by clicking on the 'x' 
in the upper right corner and then on the properties-button again.

//
The Replace-Button initiates a replace over all active controls.

So if you selected another head in the heads-dropdown list
and DON'T want to have the head replaced you should click
on the Head-GuID (control) to restore its corresponding name.

Some details about FreePoints:

WRS - GuIDs (working/Relaxing/sleeping-FreePoints)

Please be aware that [W1], [R1], [S1] build one set.
The names of the sets are labels only. I used to name them
RtnNo00 upto RtnNo10 for ALL NPCs.

(If you wonder why this works remember that all NPCs have a Start-set.
And the W/R/S-FreePoints of all Start-sets are different.)

Set 1 may be located in DonCamp, set 2 in Harbour Town for example.

The active set is selected by a SetRoutine [NPC] [RtnNoxx] in an info.

Afaik is the WRS-selection done by the engine.

That means from midnight to dawn the [S]-FreePoint should be active,
at noon the [R]-FreePoint and the remaining time the [W]-FreePoint 
should be active.

("Active" means that the NPC moves his ass to the coords of the
 corresponding FreePoint;-)

Own FreePoints can be created using the save bin/append-feature.
Try a suitable Dyn-lrent in which the FreePoints can be found.

(To use an own FreePoint with the Lrenter its name and its GuID 
have to be written to the FreePoints.txt file.)

It is not recommend to append FreePoints to other Dyn-lrents than
their "source"-lrent. (Same with NPCs in the NPC-lrents.) 

>>> YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! <<<

OMG. I get this error when i imported obj model via the wavefront import script (in the left), but with 3ds max plugin obj imported fine (in the right). Please help

That's strange (looks like v-axis-mirrored UV coordinates)... for me the importscript works properly. Could be some compatibility issue with 3ds Max 2008 but I'd like to check this so it would be nice if you can send me the OBJ-file and the importscript (*.ms file) you used. Then i can try it in GMax.

I wrote tutorial about converting Risen 3d game models into the 3ds Max in my blog. Only in Russian yet.

Congrats, looks really nice!

Some minor points:

• XMAC files are in animations.pak, not in meshes.pak (at least in german version)
• Using the OBJ-importscript renaming the model would be unnecessary (I know, it doesn't work for you right now)
• Could be helpful to mention that the textures can be looked up in the MTL file
• It would be cool if you could mention that it's also possible to use the freeware GMax (because this is what the tools were mainly designed for)

[Tosyk]

The information about which models for head / body are used is stored in lrent files. You can retrieve it for example by using Shak-otay's Lrenter:

That's strange (looks like v-axis-mirrored UV coordinates)... for me the importscript works properly. Could be some compatibility issue with 3ds Max 2008 but I'd like to check this so it would be nice if you can send me the OBJ-file and the importscript (*.ms file) you used. Then i can try it in GMax.

Yes, attached here.

Congrats, looks really nice!

Some minor points:

• XMAC files are in animations.pak, not in meshes.pak (at least in german version)
• Using the OBJ-importscript renaming the model would be unnecessary (I know, it doesn't work for you right now)
• Could be helpful to mention that the textures can be looked up in the MTL file
• It would be cool if you could mention that it's also possible to use the freeware GMax (because this is what the tools were mainly designed for)

• in animations.pak? hm, thank i need checking this
• but in my tutorial i used not your script, but plugin
• yes, you right
• and here you right too, thank you

Maybe you can help me to translate my tutorial in german?

[Baltram]

Maybe you can help me to translate my tutorial in german?

There are two problems:

1. I don't quite understand Russian (I read your tutorial using Google Translate)
2. I don't really have the time for it...

Yes, attached here.

Thanks!

I finally made it to get a 3ds Max Demo working so I could test it. Surprisingly it worked without any problems - the textures were displayed properly no matter whether I was using the plugin or my script. I made you a screenshot, the right head is the one imported by plugin.

Could it be thet the coordinate system you're working in (in 3ds Max) is left-handed? I wonder if there's an option for switching batween these and if yes I could try to acces (read) this via the script to fix the texture issue.

Anyway, thanks for testing.

but in my tutorial i used not your script, but plugin

Sure. That's why I suggested using the script - for not having to rename models and stuff.

(Of course that makes only sense if we get that texture problem fixed.)

[Aun]

I must admit, I don´t understand very much about modding, especially of modding a game like Risen without a modkit, but to me it looks really, really impressive! (And according to the other reactions i am not too wrong with that )

Keep it up guys, I hope you will make an extension mod!

[Reymond]

When I trying to import for example: Ani_Hero_Armor_Don.
Everything is OK.
But when I trying to import Ani_Wolf_Monster_Wolf.
I have this error:
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[Baltram]

Thanks for reporting this!
You can download the fixed script here.