[johns1234]

This walkthrough I'm using seems to think I'm constantly getting more ore and more skill points. Actually, I'm getting about nothing. She has me walking around meeting people and taking quests from them that I could never complete right now. Also, I don't have near the skill points she seems to think I have. Is there something else I could be doing outside the camps, or maybe sneaking around late at night to get stuff to trade out of the chests? I have about 5 skill points at 2300 going to 3000, so it will be a long time at this rate before I can get 1h sword skill. I also need 400 ore to pay Lee for something, but I only have 107, and I was saving that for better times. Why is Gothic 1 so slow to develop? I'm missing something that she does not mention in the walkthrough ... by Airyn.

[alyn26]

Who is "hse"? I don't get it.

[Bastardo]

Who is "hse"? I don't get it.

The walkthrough. That would be "it", yeah.

About the question, I don't really get what's the problem... walkthroughs are there to help when you can't finish a quest. Doesn't mean you have to follow step-by-step by a long shot. Go outside, take out your sword, and start slaughtering things. It's as simple as that!
Start with weak monsters of course.

[kepalas]

You should never use walkthrough unless you dont know what to do or just to take some advices from it. In the beggining theres is quite hard to get ore, but believe me. Thats normal. Dont get wrought-up if you cant buy something, cuz you wont even notice when youll have bunch of it. If you see that you made a lot of big mistakes I suggest you to load some old saved game or start everything from the beginning

[Darth Crow]

I Agree. The best thing you can do is finish all the side quests and kill as many beasts as possible. It's good thing to finish the joining quests for every camp before joining one. Only use walkthrough if you get stuck somewhere, for example if you can't solve a riddle or something. Well, that's just my opinion.

[johns1234]

Seems you guys are right. I just went out of the New Camp and went Scavenger hunting. Those guys give 100 Exp points each, so I leveled up pretty quick. Went back and got !H sword skill. Found a wolf exploit .. a fence will kill a wolf .. weird. Airyn's walkthrough is too conservative .. girl thing I suppose. I want some action in this game. Need to learn how to kill those flying hornets. Plenty of them too. Next I need Pick Locks. I've found plenty of chests and doors. I'll come back to the walkthrough when I can afford her expensive tastes :-)

[kepalas]

You better save a lot and in different slots if your not sure what your doing, because I see your new in gothic Just an advice

[alyn26]

OMG after 15 minutes playing the gothic1 game I already have thousands of ore.

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Use the forge, it's bugged and u can make 3x more swords than your ingredients can afford.

[Der_Jonn]

Next I need Pick Locks. I've found plenty of chests and doors. I'll come back to the walkthrough when I can afford her expensive tastes :-)

Just a quick bit of advice: Don't learn how to pick locks. Don't learn any thief talents at all, they're pretty much useless.
You can pick locks from the beginning, putting LPs into that ability only reduces the amount of lockpicks you need. Better to buy a few more lockpicks and invest those LPs into something useful like strength.

[Darth Crow]

Well, I always level my lock-picking to the second level, I think it's called "Advanced". I'm not sure 'cause I play czech version of the game. Anyway, at least you don't need to always have 1 mil. lockpicks with you...

[HellFog]

Anyway, at least you don't need to always have 1 mil. lockpicks with you...

I don't lern thefing skills in G1, before I instinctively knew how to open chests
I saved , and if i mest-up , I just load the game again.

[johns1234]

OK. I'll give the save and try a go. I thought it was like Gothic 2 where you at least had to learn lock picking to be able to open a chest with lock picks, or so I thought. Same with Sneaking in Gothic 2. Sneaking was badly needed in the Gold Goblets quest ??

[Darth Crow]

I don't lern thefing skills in G1, before I instinctively knew how to open chests
I saved , and if i mest-up , I just load the game again.

Well, that's one way to do it . But I simply don't have the necessary patience. I hate waiting .

Same with Sneaking in Gothic 2. Sneaking was badly needed in the Gold Goblets quest ??

Yes, AFAIK you cannot complete the quest without knowing how to sneak. TBH, I think it is difficult enough even if you can sneak

[Korianous]

Putting 10 LP into Lock Picking isn't bad. That's what I usually did.

I would also recommend what most people are saying, go out and kill stuff. Sweep the forests and kill wolves, scavengers and molerats. Do all the quests from all 3 camps. Talk to everyone and find out as much as you can. Best way to learn and to level Imo. You definitely should talk to Horatio as soon as you can for the free +5 Strength Bonus

As for efficient ways to level up, I suppose it would depend on what character your trying to play? There are three archetypes, Warrior, Ranger, or Mage. Get yourself up to Level 7, and distribute your LP the following way:

Warrior-
Put 30 LP into Strength
10 LP into Lock Picking
30 LP into One-Handed Weapons

With Levels 8-10 put your LP into Strength. Then Learn Two Handed Weapons (70 LP). At this point you will be around Level 17. Now spend LP as you will.

Ranger/Mage-
20 LP into Dexterity
10 LP into Strength
10 LP into Lock Picking
30 LP into One Handed Weapons

With 25 Strength (assuming you've talked to Horatio), you will be strong enough to wield most decent one-handers. You will now be fairly versatile and can handle most situations if your caught without your bow or magic.

Spend your LP from Levels 8 & 9 on Dexterity, up to 50 (thats all you'll need), and then you may spend it as you please. Rangers can now learn strength and two handed weapons and stuff.

If your a mage, spend your LP from Levels 10-11 on mana, and then put your LP into learning your circles (put excess LP into Strength).

The most important thing to remember is not to spread yourself too thin, otherwise you'll be ineffectual in combat and will get destroyed fairly easily. Other than that, have fun.

That's basically all I can think of right now. Maybe I should write a guide for newbies .

[johns1234]

That's basically all I can think of right now. Maybe I should write a guide for newbies .

That would be useful. I am doing the lock pick with reloads, and that works fine. I'm getting rich doing it, plus I got a much better sword. Old Camp is loaded with those who want to kick me around, and with the better sword, that can't happen. I'm using Airyn's walkthrough for just hints now. I think her goal was to teach me the territory, which was good, but none of her quests worked until I went on my own and leveled up hunting stuff. That is really needed early on, and she does not do that. So far, I have not found a teacher to increase my 1h sword skill. Maybe that shows up later ?? Experience points come too slow in this game. That is probably because I don't know where the big point quests are ... next time, I will.

[kepalas]

So far, I have not found a teacher to increase my 1h sword skill.

As I remember, Scatty in the old camp can teach you that. He's near the arena

[Altair-AoD]

As I remember, Scatty in the old camp can teach you that. He's near the arena

Cord is a better choice he is cheaper. You can find him in the New Camp.

[Korianous]

Another thing to remember if you haven't found out so far.

Mordrag will escort you to the New Camp and Baal Cadar(i think) will take you to the Swamp Camp. You should go with them, as they will kill creatures and let you get the XP, a good way to level up early on.

And also Cord is a way better teacher to learn about 1-h combat. He's a lot cheaper. You'll find him if you leave the Hollow in the New Camp and turn right. He'll be standing in front of a bunch of mercs.

[Der_Jonn]

Putting 10 LP into Lock Picking isn't bad. That's what I usually did.

10 LP for saving an average of .4 lockpicks every time you make a mistake. That's a very bad bargain. Let's say you'd need 100 lockpicks over the course of the game if you don't spend LPs on the ability (of course, depending on your playstyle you might need a lot more or a lot less than 100, but I think 100 is a decent enough guess for an average value for someone new to Gothic).
That means you will need about 56 lockpicks if you learn lockpick lvl 1. That's 44 lockpicks for 10 LP. If you don't find enough lockpicks that means you will save 440 ore over the course of the game. Now paying 10 LP for 440 ore would be an excessively bad deal, but in this case you actually have to pay up front which makes the ability completely horrible. If it cost 2 or 3 LP it might be worth considering, but for 10 LP it's a clear no.

As for efficient ways to level up, I suppose it would depend on what character your trying to play? There are three archetypes, Warrior, Ranger, or Mage. Get yourself up to Level 7, and distribute your LP the following way:

Warrior-
Put 30 LP into Strength
10 LP into Lock Picking
30 LP into One-Handed Weapons

With Levels 8-10 put your LP into Strength. Then Learn Two Handed Weapons (70 LP). At this point you will be around Level 17. Now spend LP as you will.

Ranger/Mage-
20 LP into Dexterity
10 LP into Strength
10 LP into Lock Picking
30 LP into One Handed Weapons

While those skill builds work (which isn't suprising, considering how it`s easily possible to play through the whole game without spending a single LP), they aren't very efficient. Getting more strength is much better in the beginning than getting one hand level 2.
And regardless what sort of character you want to play, you should always start by getting 1H level 1 and investing at least 50 into strength (unless you start by getting the Golem hearts, of course).

[Korianous]

10 LP for saving an average of .4 lockpicks every time you make a mistake. That's a very bad bargain.

How did you get that average? I'm just asking to satisfy my curiosity. With a 90% chance of failure, you are likely to break a lockpick at least once with a simple combo, and with some of the more complex ones, you will likely break several.

Learning lockpicking always came in handy for me, because it satisfies Finger's requirement quite easily(assuming you want to join the Old Camp), plus quite a few of the beginning quests involve picking locks. Also, being able to effectively pick locks can get you some nice loot in and around all the camps, very good in the beginning of the game.

Not to mention, in the beginning, you will not have many lockpicks or ore, and you probably dont want to waste the little you have on buying lockpicks. Plus, learning the skill will save you a little frustration when you break all your lockpicks trying to open a complicated chest or door. It's a basic skill that comes in handy, so you won't have to refer to a walkthrough to figure out combos.

I personally liked learning to pick locks because of it's usefulness throughout the game, both with quests and looting stuff.

While those skill builds work (which isn't suprising, considering how it`s easily possible to play through the whole game without spending a single LP), they aren't very efficient. Getting more strength is much better in the beginning than getting one hand level 2.
And regardless what sort of character you want to play, you should always start by getting 1H level 1 and investing at least 50 into strength (unless you start by getting the Golem hearts, of course).

I suppose it's all depending on your play style and what works for you. I'm not saying my charts are ironclad skill builds and that you absolutely MUST level up that way, but It's a good way to make a well-rounded character IMO.

Also I like one-handed weapon mastery because it enables you to swing your sword a lot faster and allows for more combination attacks, which beside from looking cool , allow you to fight more elegantly and effectively. Not to mention, you are more likely to get more critical hits, ending fights a lot faster.

Also, lets breakdown how each character would look following the skill builds, and we'll stop at say, Level 20:

Warrior- Level 20- Spending 200 LP

Assuming you followed the skill builds I provided your stats would be here:

STR- 70 (60 LP)

Weapon Masteries
One-H - Master (30 LP)
Two-H - Master (70 LP)

Thieving Skills-
Lock Pick- Lvl. 1 (10 LP)

That Leaves you with 30 Surplus LP. If you spent all 30 on Strength, you would have 100 by Level 20, the max you can train it to. I always learned acrobatics, just for the hell of it, because it looked cool. That costs 10 LP. Even if you did spend that 10 LP on Acrobatics, you can still spend 20 LP on Strength, bringing it up to 90. Assuming you've talked to Horatio, thats another +5 Strength bonus, so your character would have 95 Strength. Since you still have at least 15 more levels to go (I usually finished the game around levels 35-40), that's 150 more LP you could spend anyway you wanted to.

Now lets looks at a Level 20 Ranger:

Stats-
STR- 20 (10 LP)
DEX- 50 (40 LP)

Weapon Masteries-
One-H- Master (30 LP)

Thieving Skills-
Lock Pick- Lvl. 1 (10 LP)

That leaves 110 LP to spend anyway you choose! I usually learned mastery of archery, another 30 LP. That leaves over 80 LP, to spend wherever. I usually learned Strength and Acrobatics, and whatever else (two-handed weapons, hunting skills, etc.)

Mage- Level 20

Stats-
STR- 20 (10 LP)
DEX- 50 (40 LP)
MANA- 30 (20 LP)

Weapon Masteries-
One-H- Master (30 LP)

Thieving Skills-
Lock Pick- Lvl. 1 (10 LP)

That leaves 90 LP, which you will likely spend learning the Circles of Magic. After that, you can put your LP wherever.

IMO these are effective and well-rounded characters. I suppose it all depends on your play style, but I think the way I spend LP has gotten me through the game rather well, with remarkably few reloads. . However, we all have our own opinions, and should play the game our own way. I just like giving options and ideas.