[Flaviu]

The magicians of fire are against Xardas because he controls black magic.
But tell me why in Gothic 2 you can get summoning runes from Karras????
Aren't the fire mages against that kind of magic?
How did they do this?

[.†.MikeL.†.]

The magicians of fire are against Xardas because he controls black magic.
But tell me why in Gothic 2 you can get summoning runes from Karras????
Aren't the fire mages against that kind of magic?
How did they do this?

Summoning is not a black art every art can summon creatures.

[Flaviu]

Summoning is not a black art every art can summon creatures.

Then what black art really is?
Workshipping Beliar?I see cursing is one of them
and wearing robe of the dark arts?
Who do tou know in Gothic 1 besides Xardas who can summon Creatures from hell like demons,skeletons? ,army of darkness;fire mages shouldn't summon that-Innos is not in hell-there is Beliar
And what you say about the black mage from the end?First time when i saw him i thought it was Xardas like he was in g1 in Sleeper's temple
I like Xardas;he and heroes best friends are my favourite
I think i will remain with this opinion

[.†.MikeL.†.]

Then what black art really is?
Workshipping Beliar?I see cursing is one of them
and wearing robe of the dark arts?
Who do tou know in Gothic 1 besides Xardas who can summon Creatures from hell like demons,skeletons? ,army of darkness;fire mages shouldn't summon that-Innos is not in hell-there is Beliar
And what you say about the black mage from the end?First time when i saw him i thought it was Xardas like he was in g1 in Sleeper's twmplw

I think i will remain with this opinion

Well if you play Gothic3 you will be able to have spells from all the gods and now that I think of it you're right only beliar's fallowers can summon Creatures at least I think so

[Flaviu]

And it looks like i have the honor of opening 2 threads about magic
My first threads!I will always like magic in Gothic series(and the most powerfull weapons)
I'm attracted of power;i like power that's why i like necromancers,i like the way Xardas thinks;in g1 and g2 i was delighted when i knew i was the strongest ;and i for Uriziel-it was a great weapon-i loved it

[Sakabato]

Inos-Fire magic(fire ball, fireshot, fire rain...)
Adanos-Water magic(ice magic and lightning magic)
Sleeper-Psyco magic(teleknesis, sleep, pyroknesis...P.S:my favourite magic!)
Beliar-Black magic(wave of death, black breath...)
Neutral-neutral magic(heal, ligh...)
Nature-transformation magic(gurus magic, like transform into bloodfly,snaper,lurker,etc...)

what u see in teh game is not the same has in story, gothic1 u see gurus with sleeper magic, and water mages with adanos magic, and fire mages with fire magic! but u barely see black mages!
and in gothic2, the typical magic atack is fire balls, u see tehm being used by pyrokar, vatras, xardas,etc...
sumoning magic, this is never used by any1 in the game! atleast g1 and g2!(only dark casters like those wraiths and sleeper) and u see Karras studying this type of magic, and learn how to use it, but it cant be considered black magic, cause wolfs and goblins ar nature creatures, only deamons and skeltons are black magic, golems are kinda neutral magic, for exemple, u see a golem in nordmar guarding a city, and nordmar is not a region of beliar worshipers!

[needles]

Inos-Fire magic(fire ball, fireshot, fire rain...)
Adanos-Water magic(ice magic and lightning magic)
Sleeper-Psyco magic(teleknesis, sleep, pyroknesis...P.S:my favourite magic!)
Beliar-Black magic(wave of death, black breath...)
Neutral-neutral magic(heal, ligh...)
Nature-transformation magic(gurus magic, like transform into bloodfly,snaper,lurker,etc...)

okay, if this is true, why in gothic 3 do you learn lightning from beliar shrines? Why can you still use sleep etc. after the sleeper is banished? Why do you learn healing and light at innos shrines in g3?

theres nothing consistent about what you have said.

[Mikael Grizzly]

The magic is the fifth element, as described in the books in Gothic, and is the godt of gods to humanity. It is an unified element, with all the spells available to any mage.

Any given spell always taps into one or more god's power, and as such cannot be cleanly divided, due to them often being mixed - for instance, Sleeper gave people the spell of Sleep, which belonged to Adanos, but was chanelled through the power of Beliar to become extra powerful.

[Flaviu]

The magic is the fifth element, as described in the books in Gothic, and is the godt of gods to humanity. It is an unified element, with all the spells available to any mage.

Any given spell always taps into one or more god's power, and as such cannot be cleanly divided, due to them often being mixed - for instance, Sleeper gave people the spell of Sleep, which belonged to Adanos, but was chanelled through the power of Beliar to become extra powerful.

You know i like magic and magicians.
Can someone tell me about it in Gothic 3 cause i can't play it because of my computer
And i've heard something about Zuben-some kind of leader and you can finish the game in 3 ways:good,neutral,bad-and i've heard that neutral is with Xardas and bad with Zuben

[Mikael Grizzly]

There is no good/bad in Gothics - there are shades of grey.

Anyways, the rune magic that is widespread in Gothic and Gothic II (the gift of gods) is destroyed, or rather contained in a single focus stone by Xardas, and the magic we learn is the true, ancient magic, in which the caster relies on magic directly, not through god-given means.

[Flaviu]

There is no good/bad in Gothics - there are shades of grey.

Anyways, the rune magic that is widespread in Gothic and Gothic II (the gift of gods) is destroyed, or rather contained in a single focus stone by Xardas, and the magic we learn is the true, ancient magic, in which the caster relies on magic directly, not through god-given means.

Then do you think magic sistem is better in G3?

[DarkUncle]

Ye! the system is really cool and there are so many new great spells! Without having to relay on Runes and scrolls all the time. As in G1 and G2 it is harder to persue a magic carrier but well worth it once you have learnt many spells!.

[Sakabato]

okay, if this is true, why in gothic 3 do you learn lightning from beliar shrines? Why can you still use sleep etc. after the sleeper is banished? Why do you learn healing and light at innos shrines in g3?

theres nothing consistent about what you have said.

look, this is a game!
and there is only 2 shrines, inos and beliar! there isnt adanos shrine! and from what iv seen, the only gothic who shows the magicians using the magic of theyr god is gothic1, who shows FM with fire, WM with adanos magic, and gurus with sleeper magic! and btw, sleeper=sleep, makes sence dont u think?
but cause they wanted to keep sleep magic in game, and without sleeper, they puted it with fire mages! whats special about that!
and btw, there is other very simple way to see that, if u dont believ me, go to gothic1, and look at the runes, ul see the inos runes RED, adanos runes BLUE, beliar runes in PORPURE, sleeper in GREEN, and normal magic in YELOW!

[Killrog]

@DesertEagle

You did a little mistake man. The green runes are those of the sleeper, and the yellow ones are the neutral rune stones... Doesn't really matter, but it was just an occasion to say something...

[Flaviu]

About Gothic 1,runes,you are right Desert eagle,and they're more spectacular than in G2.In g1 they're on categories,hjust like it has to be.Different gods,different runes

[Sakabato]

@DesertEagle

You did a little mistake man. The green runes are those of the sleeper, and the yellow ones are the neutral rune stones... Doesn't really matter, but it was just an occasion to say something...

thanks a lot homie!
i allready fixed it!

About Gothic 1,runes,you are right Desert eagle,and they're more spectacular than in G2.In g1 they're on categories,hjust like it has to be.Different gods,different runes

in gothic2 magicians use magic from all gods, i got realy upset cause of taht, cause i loved to see fire mages with only fire magic, like firballs, and fire shots! and the water magicians used the frost and lighting spells! and gurus used the sleep and pyroknesis! that was cool, cause u could see they only study magic from theyr god!
but in gothic2, its just stupid! u see vatras,pyrokar and xardas with fireballs!
and some fire mages in the monastery u see them using lightning atacks, ho, and then there is Malack i think, the one who teaches adanos magic, but he never mencioned it has adanos magic, altough it is adanos magic! and the mouron who studies sumoning, thats not inos magic, thats beliar magic! cause u sumon beliar creatures like skeltons and deamons! then the golems who are kinda neutral, and the wolfs and goblins who are nature beings!

[Flaviu]

Yap.G1 is better built in magic sistem
And it's Karras in G2 who teaches you summoning spells,and yes skeletons,demons are beliar's creatures,not Innos's,and you want to tell me that goblins are from nature??-i mean goblin skeleton man,which were converted

[spiros_kreta]

Yes but in G3 are better (my opinion)

The coolest MAGIC is the TRAVEL SOUL , FEAR , SUMMON DEMON AND FIRE RAIN!!!!!

[Flaviu]

Yes but in G3 are better (my opinion)

The coolest MAGIC is the TRAVEL SOUL , FEAR , SUMMON DEMON AND FIRE RAIN!!!!!

You mean in G3,that magic runes?
In g 2 also add mass destruction(wave of death)
I hate that in g1,for ex,if you cast firerain,and you are attacked by orcs,for ex,you can't cast the spell anymore when you are hit...but in g2 you still can,ex mass destruction,and you laugh and kill the orcs in VoM without problems!!
And breath of dead was cool in g1,but in g2 it has so limited range,enemies must be very close to you,and mana cost is double than it should be
100 dmg-5 mana-g1;500 dmg,and very close,50 mana-g2

[Legolas]

I think the firemages are so self-confident and power-obsessed that they have no preference, as long as they are stronger than all over people.

Because of this they do not regret to create demons or sth like that...