[witchergothic]

Hello guys, i have a couple of questions i wanted to ask

-What does Intelligence do?? How can i learn intelligence without stone tablets.
-Can i kill the Immortal stone guardians that spawn after you use the Globe at the Orc Temple, nothings seems to work on them not even Adanos Sword that kills the big Guardian at the Temple
-How can i unlock the 2 chests at the Golden Dragons Ashtar and the chest besides Larius without dying??

Intelligence is damage multiplier on spells and important for mages and you can't get it if you play melee class(maybe once or twice but its not significant)
Immortal guardians aren't meant to be killed you need to go through the portal which just have been opened avoiding them on your way
I don't think you can open those chests near the dragon without dying,except one
As for the chest behind the Larius i think you need good amount of dexterity so you can survive the trap or... maybe enough HPoints to survive the trap

[witchergothic]

Hi All!

First of all, sorry my bad english, its not my native language.

So, I just discovered returning 2.0, played normal diff for the first time, but after some missed/failed quest, decided to start new one. Using the Returning 2.0 online with translate, which is russian language, but some starting issues is still not answered.

As i expected, hard is hard, at the very begining, the most urgently question is, the handling of hunger/thirsty/lack of gold. Now i managed, to have food and drink for days, but now im short of gold, and im far away from joining thieves guild and/or become an apprentice. The only option is playing dice, but it seems restrickted to 1 or 2 win per Cardiff/Orlan (Raoul still not tried) which is not enough, at all.

All the difficult is came from that i want to make an universal save for later gameplay with other spacialized character, so dont want to use LP's, but should do all quests and kills as i can.

-I realised that after do Ignaz quest can buy "convert to snapper" spell, to clear the way to Orlan's tavern, maybe i can use the same trick for 2 more time, but dont think this will enough.
- For joining thieves guild need kill lot of bandits in that cave with the strange fish, i guess dont have enough resources to do that
- For cuting the meat from animals i need to do the Alvin's quest with Fellan, but its impossible only with sword to win. (skipped the walley next Xardas tower, to have more meat/wolf skin)
- For ore mining and melting skills need lot of gold i dont know how to get. Mining is still endless in hard diff.?

Could you guys give some tipps or tricks to moving forward this awesome game?

If you play melee class you need to learn blacksmith forging swords to the end (El Bastardo) also you need mining,don't spend money on snapper spells this is not the vanilla gothic you can't kill everything with it.For extracting meat from kills i don't think is quest related you just need gold ,you get some initial gold from Vatras , when you go to Yarkendar you will learn gold mining and making gold coins and you will have plenty of it .
At the beginning of the game do more quests in Khorinis increase your stats get good armor learn skin remove etc.everything will after that come naturally.

[Tentarr]

@ dahaka

You can kill the immortals guards with the adanos sowrd after you got the ice crown, which you can find if you follow the quests at the adanos desert.

For the chests you are supposed to open only one. Your stats decide which chest you can open, it´s also explained at the stone tables there but I guess you can´t understand them if you are not playing with russian language.

[alexstefan95]

@ alex: try to download latest runtime libraries for your OS. It is also in the Launcher of returning. And Copy AST.dll in the System folder of your Gothic 2 folder.

I tried this a lot of times. Even installed 3 different versions of Gothic 2 NotR. Tried installing in different folders (not Program Files).

[Niko5511]

you followed the video from sinistar gaming in the starting post? you are installing normal latest returning or the alt. balance?

[DaHaKa4]

@Tentarr @Witchergothic

Thank you both for your answers.

I have got another question i wanted to ask. Who can help me rebuild One-Eyed Elsa the boat at the Pirates Camp. Skip gave me a piece that i have to repair and i thought that Garvel from Khorinis would help me but he doesnt. I hope its not Jack because the Shadows already killed him.

[Tentarr]

It´s Thorben the carpenter.

[AriaRose]

I am playing the return 2.0 0066 .So I a question - there are caves and places where I need some keys . Like in the crypt of Inubis at the mercenaries farm , how do I get it ? I don´t have a swich - in my English google translate or what ever where the swich was it puts somethign like klyuchnoe hole . Same in a cave next the cementery where the teleport from Dead Harpy .
Also , there is a tower close to Jack´s lighthouse , you get down there by a path .In a cave a found a golem , stone one . I tryed everything , light , lightning , fire , hammer you names it .Nothing can kill him .Shoud I try Innos hammer?

[Tentarr]

There are four such caves, these are a part of a new main quest at the fifth chapter, you can't miss them.

the golem is invulnerable, to kill him you need the paladin speel light.
Either you are a paladin or you need to pick pocket the spell from one of the named paladins near Lord Hagen.

[AriaRose]

There are four such caves, these are a part of a new main quest at the fifth chapter, you can't miss them.

the golem is invulnerable, to kill him you need the paladin speel light.
Either you are a paladin or you need to pick pocket the spell from one of the named paladins near Lord Hagen.

AH thank you !
I started fresh , I wanted to be a paladin this time but ended to be Xardas pupil . I guess that I will pickpocket .
I played 0065 before as a fire mage up to chapther 3 .
Thanks !
Next I play I will be a paladin .

[AriaRose]

Hi All!

First of all, sorry my bad english, its not my native language.

So, I just discovered returning 2.0, played normal diff for the first time, but after some missed/failed quest, decided to start new one. Using the Returning 2.0 online with translate, which is russian language, but some starting issues is still not answered.

As i expected, hard is hard, at the very begining, the most urgently question is, the handling of hunger/thirsty/lack of gold. Now i managed, to have food and drink for days, but now im short of gold, and im far away from joining thieves guild and/or become an apprentice. The only option is playing dice, but it seems restrickted to 1 or 2 win per Cardiff/Orlan (Raoul still not tried) which is not enough, at all.

All the difficult is came from that i want to make an universal save for later gameplay with other spacialized character, so dont want to use LP's, but should do all quests and kills as i can.

-I realised that after do Ignaz quest can buy "convert to snapper" spell, to clear the way to Orlan's tavern, maybe i can use the same trick for 2 more time, but dont think this will enough.
- For joining thieves guild need kill lot of bandits in that cave with the strange fish, i guess dont have enough resources to do that
- For cuting the meat from animals i need to do the Alvin's quest with Fellan, but its impossible only with sword to win. (skipped the walley next Xardas tower, to have more meat/wolf skin)
- For ore mining and melting skills need lot of gold i dont know how to get. Mining is still endless in hard diff.?

Could you guys give some tipps or tricks to moving forward this awesome game?

For the cave with the strange fish - this is what I did - since I wanted to be a paladin and heavy armor was obtained via a quest I had to not kill this guys until later , when I was a militia . So , sisnce I said yes to the guradians and I helped kill Lucian - I got 2 potions of black mist and used one . I remember that I will get another one later in the game but can´t remember where . Anyhows . with this potions they can´t see you and you can open the chest and ge tout of there undercover .

[Longtomi]

Thanks for the answer @witchergothic and @AriaRose

Im still not specialized, but done lot of forward, convert to snapper scroll seems op spell on low level, with that, cleared the way to Orlan's tavers, to Onars farm, the first part of the cave with goblins in Gregs quest. Done lot of kills and quests, the bandits in strange fish's cave was not so hard, fire arrows and fireballs works well (each day can get a fire arrows scroll at Xardas tower's bookcase) now im in the water mages excavation site, tried many times to kill that shadowsbeast on the way with lares (at the place with magic golem in vanilla gothic), but to strong for him (and me).

Anyone know all the rhetoric bonus from dialogues in the first chapter? Want to improve (13 actually) min. to 25 or more. Some quest optimal ending need 25+ rhetoric (exampl. Vatras magical diary).

Another question: At the start of next chapters will all killed animals/monsters repawn for stronger ones, even the undeads?

[Gromm]

Morgen,

sicherlich gibt es den. Du wirst sicher auf RPG Russia/marvin fündig. Ich kenne in nicht auswendig, daher kann ich dir nur das empfehlen.

Hier der Link:

https://rpgrussia.com/index.php?topic=8731.0

Hallo Tentarr,

da habe ich bereits geschaut aber einen Code für die genannten Teleporterrunen nicht gefunden. Kann höchstens sein, dass dieser in der Excel-Tabelle enthalten ist, welche ich mir nicht runterladen kann, durch die nicht funktionierende Registrierung (mehrmals versucht, keinen Aktivierungslink bekommen).

Kann jemand auf die Tabelle zugreifen und sie hier bitte uppen?

Danke im Voraus.

[witchergothic]

Thanks for the answer @witchergothic and @AriaRose

Im still not specialized, but done lot of forward, convert to snapper scroll seems op spell on low level, with that, cleared the way to Orlan's tavers, to Onars farm, the first part of the cave with goblins in Gregs quest. Done lot of kills and quests, the bandits in strange fish's cave was not so hard, fire arrows and fireballs works well (each day can get a fire arrows scroll at Xardas tower's bookcase) now im in the water mages excavation site, tried many times to kill that shadowsbeast on the way with lares (at the place with magic golem in vanilla gothic), but to strong for him (and me).

Anyone know all the rhetoric bonus from dialogues in the first chapter? Want to improve (13 actually) min. to 25 or more. Some quest optimal ending need 25+ rhetoric (exampl. Vatras magical diary).

Another question: At the start of next chapters will all killed animals/monsters repawn for stronger ones, even the undeads?

Here is all rhetoric bonuses google translated from rpg russia :Character Required Skill Result
Lemar 10 You can borrow a thousand gold from Lemar.
Cassius 15 If Attila is killed, you can not pay Cassius compensation for his death.
Parlan 15 The opportunity to get rid of the punishment of Parlana when illegally entering the monastery.
Bromor 20 Possibility to reduce the price for "removing" Sony for Skip to a thousand coins.
Vasily 20 Possibility to convince Vasily to buy old coins of 2 gold for each.
Cassia 20 A hidden answer will appear on the diary of Vatras, and you will not have to buy it for 5000 gold on the market.
Ramirez 25 If Atilla is killed, you can reassure Ramirez, and he agrees to teach GG his skills.
Bengar 30 Bengar will give the Hero 150 gold when he informs Malak of returning to the farm.
Wolf 30 Wolf will ask for only 300 gold for the protection of the farm of Bengar.
Grimes 30 Grimes tells the story of the elixir "Flame of Eligor."
Nigel 30 You can take from Nigel 500, not 100 gold for facilitating his deal on the quest "The debt of the merchant".
Onar 30 Onar will agree to pay a salary to Nameless on a daily basis.
Pedro 30 You can give Pedro a simple sausage instead of lamb.
Ramirez 30 Possibility to get a diary of Vatras free.
Kinjarts 35 Ability to outwit Kinzhartsa, giving him a simple ore instead of magical.
Igarats 35 Igarats will reduce the price for the paper Babo to 200 gold.
Creole 40 The appearance of a hidden answer, which will avoid the wrath of the necromancer, if the Hero came to him ahead of time.
Crimson 40 Crimson will pay 10 coins for each gold nugget.
Viper 45 Possibility to convince Viper to work for the Hero in his camp as a miner.
Greg 45 You can cut the price for supplies to the mages of Water twice, suggesting that you pay at first only half.
Valeran 50 Possibility to reduce the salary for Valeran as a manager to 35 gold.
Lord Hagen 50 Possibility to persuade Hagen to pay not 100, but 200 gold for each supply of ore from the Nameless Camp.
Onar 50 Onar will relinquish the former Dexter tower without rent.
Phantom Stefan 50 Condition of a good ending for the quest "The Cursed Lighthouse".
Samuel 50 Opportunity to outsmart the moonshiner and get a recipe for "Quick Herring" for free.
Ur-Thrall 50 It will be possible to name a valid reason for Ur-Thrall's reason that he agreed to let the Hero into the mine.
Ferros 50 Possibility to ask for a family ring as a reward for a found sword, or get a +1 bonus to strength, depending on the situation.
Hasim 50 Hasim agrees to take Narug's wallet, asking for a bottle of rare wine.
Hodges 50 Hodges will tell everyone that he knows about the murder of Lothar on the quest "Dark Web".
Pyrocar 60 Pyrocar agrees to pray for the souls of pirates.
Snipes 60 Possibility to convince Snipes to work for the Hero in his camp as a miner.
Vakur Shak 65 Possibility to breed an arrogant orc on a potion of power in a deal with Ferd's ring.
Loa 70 Possibility to continue the quest "Forgotten Memories of Loa" and call her to a picnic.
Ur-Thrall 75 Ur-Thrall will tell you where to find the black ore.
Greg 80 Possibility to obtain the consent of Greg and his team to offer paladins for help in the decisive battle.
As for the respawn they've changed that many times what and how many and how strong creatures but... don't worry you will have plenty creatures/monsters/undead to kill.

[Tentarr]

@ gromm versuch es mal mit itmi_teleportstone

[Mirtheck]

Hey Zusammen,

habe mir nach Jahren endlich ein Konto angelegt und versuche mich jetzt mal im Posten, vorab tut es mir leid wenn das hier nicht der passende Thread für mein Anliegen sein sollte.

Kurz und knapp, ich habe vor wenigen Tagen nach meinem abgeschlossenen Gothic 1 Playthrough "Spine" zugelegt, wegen der Xerxes Rückkehr Mod und war sofort hellauf begeistert wie genial dieses Programm doch ist. Habe letztlich alle möglichen Mods and Patches gezogen von denen ich zuvor teilweise nie etwas gehört habe, oder an der manuellen Installation gescheitert bin.

Voller Euphorie hab ich so festgestellt, dass Returning 2.0 sich so mit einem Knopfdruck installieren lies, sowie die neuste Version des Dx 11 Renderes in der Clockwork 17.6.6 Edition. Also ohne viel Nachdenken beides gezogen und ausprobiert. Vorweg es ist einfach gigantisch was hier durch die aktive Community auf die Beine gestellt wurde und ich bin unfassbar dankbar, wie viel Liebe diese Serie bis heute durch die Fans erfährt.

Mein Problem ist die Performance.
Habe eine Gtx 1070 mit einem Xeon E3- 1231 auf 3.9Ghz (8 Threads) mit 16Gb DDR3 Ram auf 2111 Mhz und eine Samsung Evo 850 auf der Spine und die Gothic Files installiert sind. Dank dem Hardware Monitoring von MSI Afterburner habe ich auch eine gute Vorstellung wo das Problem liegt, aber keine Idee was ich dagegen tun kann.
Ungefähr alle 3-5 Sekunden verringert sich die GPU Auslastung um 4%. Das geht von 60FPS mit 99% Auslastung bis unter 50% und das obwohl ich ohne etwas zu verändern auf ein und derselben stelle stehe. Egal ob in Xardas Turm oder am Ausgang der Höhle zum verborgenen Tal, die Performance sinkt nach Launch des Spiel immer weiter bis in den Keller.

Die restliche Hardware Auslastung bleibt nahezu unverändert (Ram und CPU) und haben noch einiges an Spielraum bis zur Maximalen Auslastung. Allein die GPU verhält sich so merkwürdig, ich finde einfach keinen Grund warum die Auslastung abnimmt, selbst wenn ich alle Grafikdetails ganz runter schraube verhält sie sich so.
Wenn ich von Spine aus den normalen GOthic 2 DNdR Client starte, verhält sich alles ganz normal.
Habe schon den 4GB Patch und den GMP-R10 Memory Leak Fix getestet aber es macht keinen Unterschied (liegt ja offenbar auch an der GPU).

Jetzt wo ich mich nicht mehr mit der Installation rumschlagen muss, will ich einfach kompromisslos die Mod zocken, aber so bin ich nach wenigen Minuten unter 10 FPS, daher wird erstmal ohne Renderer gezockt, mit wäre aber natürlich schöner .

Sorry für den Roman und verzeihung wenn das hier an der falschen Stellle gepostet wurde!

[Gromm]

@ Tentarr
Funktioniert. Danke dir.

[Tentarr]

@ mirt

Erstmal willkommen im Forum

Höchst wahrscheinlich liegt dein Problem an der Vegetation der mod, die zwingt nahezu jeden pc in die Knie. Problem daran ist, dass die alte engine von gothic die neue Hardware fast kaum nutzen kann, so als Beispiel die engine kann niemals mehr als 4 GByte RAM nutzen, eigentlich sogar nur zwei, alles darüber ist für'n arsch.
Such mal im thread die Beiträge über einen no grass patch, gibt einen Beitrag von Niko, da erklärt er alles darüber und hat auch die Links gepostet.
Ich denke, dass dürfte dir helfen, ansonsten melde dich nochmal.

[AriaRose]

[QUOTE = Longtomi; 25754530] Thanks for the answer @witchergothic and @AriaRose

In the not yet specialized, but done, on the way to Orleans tavers, to onars farm, the first part of the cave with goblins in Greg's quest. Xtreme Tower's bookcase, now in the water mages excavation site, tried many times to kill that shadowsbeast on the way with lares (at the place with magic golem in vanilla gothic), but to strong for him (and me).

Anyone know all the rhetoric bonus from dialogues in the first chapter? Want to improve (13 actually) min. to 25 or more. Some quest optimally ending needs 25+ rhetoric (exampl. Vatras magical diary).

Another question: At the start of next chapter will all killed animals / monsters repawn for stronger ones, even the undeads? [/ QUOTE]
Just read what I wrote , thank Innos you understood everything I wrote there , made huge spelling mistakes .

[Longtomi]

@witchergothic

In that forum i found the next dialogue option with Saturas to get +1 rhetoric:

Saturas The first dialogue with the scene from the first Gothic
Hit him ("Your plan still would not work ...") (you need 15 rhetoric)

What is this mean?
how can trigger? There is no such option at the first meet with Saturas (after playing cinematic from G I), do i miss something?

@AriaRose: I understand what you wrote, but i killed those bandits for long time, dont want to reload now, and maybe can trigger still the quest, it is necessary that Dexter need to live, bandits not at all, or am i wrong?