[Askurai]

Ich bekomme seit kurzem auch immer wieder einen schönen Access Violation Error. Ich hab schon ca 2-3h gespielt und bekomme jetzt den AVE immer nur wenn ich ein neues Spiel starte oder wenn ich einen Spielstand lade.

Dies passiert aber nur mit dem Systempack 1.7. wenn ich g1 allerdings via der Backup.exe starte dann funktioniert es wieder. Habe es aber noch nicht lange getestet..

Anhang 45659

Hab versuch g1 einfach mal neu zu Installieren aber bekam einen Remoteprozedurablauf Error.. naja jetzt ist das game deinstalliert aber immernoch in den Programs eingetragen... WiseRegCleaner und CCcleaner scheinen die regs nicht zu finden, falls hier der Fehler liegt. die Neuinstallation kann aufgrund des gleichen Fehlers nicht mehr gestartet werden...

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habt Ihr eine Idee wie man es beheben könnte?

edit:.. hab g1 auf einem anderen PC installiert und kopiert... AVE ist allerdings noch vorhanden... + Deinstallation ist auch nicht möglich..

[Guzz]

Ich bekomme seit kurzem auch immer wieder einen schönen Access Violation Error. Ich hab schon ca 2-3h gespielt und bekomme jetzt den AVE immer nur wenn ich ein neues Spiel starte oder wenn ich einen Spielstand lade.

Dies passiert aber nur mit dem Systempack 1.7. wenn ich g1 allerdings via der Backup.exe starte dann funktioniert es wieder. Habe es aber noch nicht lange getestet..

Anhang 45659

Upload your save files, that caused AVE.

[Frank-95]

Right after installation: yes.
Systempack.ini gets created after first startup of Gothic after installing the Systempack. If you don't have the Systempack.ini after the first startup: no. In that case you might have to run the SystemPack with administrator privileges (e.g. if you installed Gothic into the Windows program directory: C:\Program.... ).

Yes I had to run gothic once Thanks

[Askurai]

Upload your save files, that caused AVE.

Saves.7z

here are the saves... it also happens if i start a new game.. but all can accessed via the backup.exe

[Guzz]

Saves.7z

here are the saves... it also happens if i start a new game.. but all can accessed via the backup.exe

I load all your saves and can't reproduce this AVE. I'm totally don't understand what can cause this error on your system.

Try this - SystemPack.7z, replace SystemPack.vdf in Gothic\Data\
You will lose this fix:

— Hero can't doubling items when it interact with some objects;

but AVE should gone.

[Askurai]

I load all your saves and can't reproduce this AVE. I'm totally don't understand what can cause this error on your system.

Try this - SystemPack.7z, replace SystemPack.vdf in Gothic\Data\
You will lose this fix:

but AVE should gone.

well big THANKS it works..

[Hotzenplotzräuber]

Is this fix only for Askurai? You will update SystemPack to fix AVE for everyone?

[Askurai]

well big THANKS it works..

well had a lot of talking were it works now if i wand to fight with someone the AVE comes again...

BTW i am not using a steam version, have the retail version. quite irritating that it doesn't work.

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[Guzz]

Is this fix only for Askurai?

Only for Askurai.

You will update SystemPack to fix AVE for everyone?

No, because everyone else doesn't have this error.

well had a lot of talking were it works now if i wand to fight with someone the AVE comes again...

BTW i am not using a steam version, have the retail version. quite irritating that it doesn't work.

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Ok, now I understand what is wrong here.
Some code that added in SystemPack 1.7 requires that DEP (Data Execution Prevention) should be disabled for the game.
How to disable it:

1. Press Win+R (or open command prompt) and input control sysdm.cpl,,3
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2. https://upload.worldofplayers.de/files10/DEP_2.png
3. https://upload.worldofplayers.de/files10/DEP_3.png or https://upload.worldofplayers.de/files10/DEP_4.png

[Tandrael]

I just wanted to take a short moment to thank the creators for the new Gothic 2 controls feature in Gothic 1. Finally I can play Gothic 1. I have waited probably ten years for this.

EDIT: I totally forgot to say that it is a miracle getting Gothic 1 to run so smoothly on new hardware and operating systems. The added compatibility is of course also highly appreciated.

[rexiandi]

Der Download playerkit 2.8 geht nicht ist das nur bei mir?

[Woozel]

Benutz einfach weiterhin das Playerkit 2.6, das 2.8 braucht man im Prinzip nicht für das neue Systempack.

[Hotzenplotzräuber]

I just wanted to take a short moment to thank the creators for the new Gothic 2 controls feature in Gothic 1. Finally I can play Gothic 1. I have waited probably ten years for this.

What are the problems with original G1 controls? I enjoyed it more than the simplified G2 controls.

[waltc]

Hey, but do You realize that lcd monitors doesnt need so high refresh rate as old CRTs due to completely different way of how they display pixels? LCDs basically doesnt refresh pixells all the time like CRT do, so even low refresh rate do not tire human eyes. Here You can read more about differences if You want:
http://superuser.com/questions/286755/does-the-refresh-rate-affect-lcd-screens

I remember having CRT monitor and comfortable refresh rate was from 85Hz. Everything below had visible flickering. 60Hz was terrible for eyes, 75Hz was a little better but flickering was still visible so if You really care about Your eyes You should get rid of this CRT with 75hz an buy some lcd. Even with 60hz it will be much better and healthier for You.

And sorry for OT

Yes, absolutely. People really put far too much into CPU MHz (3GHz to 4GHz is all you need today) and frame-rate Hz... Difference in IQ between an LCD and a CRT is night & day...it really is. CRT is much inferior. I'd much rather have 60Hz on an LCD than 200Hz on a CRT, there is that much difference in image quality. When I bought my first LCD I was amazed at all the colors and shades that just didn't show up on my 20" Sony Trinitron CRT. That was the last CRT I ever owned. I just bought an AoC 27" 2560x1440 16:9 backlit LCD with a 1ms grey to grey screen and a .23 dot pitch--beautiful! $262.00 from Amazon. No CRT compares, imo. Not a single stuck/dead pixel, and the dot pitch is so nice I cannot see any gaps at all between pixels! OK, I've said enough on that... I am not at all surprised that everyone has simply stopped manufacturing CRTs.

[waltc]

The files created during installation of this playerkit even have more alerts.
GothicStarter.exe 19 alerts
GothicStarter_mod.exe 17 alerts

Shut that VirusTotal crap off; fire up Defender. Mine says it's clear. Many cheap/amateur "virus" programs mistake different code structures for viruses--and give you "false positives" instead--it's very common. If something looks like a virus, but isn't, they will often flag it anyway. Sloppy work. Defender provides me the least number of false positives I've ever seen--and that's a blessing. False positives do little more than make you paranoid and stop you from loading decent software--these guys making systempack.ini and the player kits don't shovel virus/malware... Lord, no... They have reputations to uphold, don't ya' know... This is not a malware site! (I've been coming here for years.)

[waltc]

Hi all,

I'm having difficulty installing the Playerkit v 2.8 on Windows 10. I have Gothic installed at D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Gothic. When I point the installer to that folder the OK button is greyed out.

Edit: I was able finally to get the game to start and it starts fine by not installing playerkit 2.8, but playerkit 1.08, then the systempack 1.7.

Now I get an access violation when attempting to select new game. I have tried compatibility modes, but am unsure which executable I should set to compat. mode. I have also tried disabling the Steam overlay.

What am I doing wrong? I am running Windows 10.

Actually, the authors of these programs have made the installation foolproof, as I found. You must install playerkit 1.08, then playerkit 2.8, then systempack 1.7--in precisely that order. When you do--presto-chango!--the Windows installer will allow you to install to the proper directory... If you try and install out of order the installer will see it an intelligently not allow you to install...! Quite ingenious, if I say so myself. It took me a couple of tries to figure this out myself--ah! I should have read the instructions first... Would have saved me (and you, too) some time.

[waltc]

What are the problems with original G1 controls? I enjoyed it more than the simplified G2 controls.

Controls, like UIs, are a matter of opinion, as we all know... Clearly, the guys writing G2 must have thought the G2 controls were an improvement over the G1 controls, else they would not have changed them for G2. But the option if there is you want to use the G1 controls--I mean, the end result is the same, regardless which controls you use, right?

[Hotzenplotzräuber]

Controls, like UIs, are a matter of opinion, as we all know... Clearly, the guys writing G2 must have thought the G2 controls were an improvement over the G1 controls, else they would not have changed them for G2.

So all modern games are better than old classics because otherwise the guys writing them would not have changed everything?

[Woozel]

So all modern games are better than old classics because otherwise the guys writing them would not have changed everything?

I think that's not what he meant. That's more about the whole gaming industry is getting more casual and the developers for games change with each and every game even more than back in the day
in most game developers/studios.

But in my opinion if you look at controls, modern games are more comfortable and easier today.

I also think that's not always better, in some cases you actually have less control because you do half of the stuff with just one button

But in case of Gothic 1 even back in the day when it came out people were complaining about the control scheme and that you have to press "unnecessary" buttons to do easy actions like picking something up.
I think you get used to it really fast and then it doesn't bother me anymore.
But when I played Gothic 1 after Gothic 2 it's very annoying every time so i can totally understand the criticism.

Gothic 2 controls are easier and more intuitive, i just dont see why anyone would prefer the Gothic 1 controls
But I would find it very interesting to hear what you like more about Gothic 1 controls maybe I'm missing something.

I will explain why I think Gothic 2 controls are more easier and intuitive by looking at opening and looting chests:
I kind of get the thought that you kneel in front of the chest and then you open it and take stuff out, that's 2 actions so you have to press 2 keys..

But when you pick something up in the real world do you think of every step of it like bending down and then grab something so that it would be 2 keys in game?
I don't think so, I would think of it as one action especially if it's something I do on a regular basis. Stuff like this becomes one motoric action that is stored in your brain.
That of course one could also apply to opening of chests.

So it's just more intuitive and easier for a player to just press one button.

[Hotzenplotzräuber]

But in my opinion if you look at controls, modern games are more comfortable and easier today.

That's generally right, but in this case it's wrong. Gothic 1 & 2 have both very comfortable controls, way more easier to use than The Witcher 3 or other modern casual RPGs where you need a gaming mouse with special combat attacks etc. Gothic instead does only need two keys to control all the actions.

I also think that's not always better, in some cases you actually have less control because you do half of the stuff with just one button

And there are games where you haven't even to press one button when the protagonist is doing everything automatically. Do you call this immersive? I don't.

But in case of Gothic 1 even back in the day when it came out people were complaining about the control scheme and that you have to press "unnecessary" buttons to do easy actions like picking something up.
I think you get used to it really fast and then it doesn't bother me anymore.
But when I played Gothic 1 after Gothic 2 it's very annoying every time so i can totally understand the criticism.

The two-button-action-system is not unneccessary, it makes sense in every way and it felt very immersive to me like I would grab an objekt in a real world and not just doing everything with one key.

Gothic 2 controls are easier and more intuitive, i just dont see why anyone would prefer the Gothic 1 controls
But I would find it very interesting to hear what you like more about Gothic 1 controls maybe I'm missing something.

Easier yes, but how easy should a game be? I don't think interacting with one single key is more intuitive.

But when you pick something up in the real world do you think of every step of it like bending down and then grab something so that it would be 2 keys in game?

Yes, I think so and I explained why.

So it's just more intuitive and easier for a player to just press one button.

It's easier, but not more intuitive. Why people do have problems to press 2 keys? Where there are tons of modern games with terrible controls and nobody speak against it.