[Alwin]

At least read wikipedia, kiddo. We'll let the real books till you grow up.

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless[1][2] and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

Anarchism is often defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[1][2] However, others argue that while anti-statism is central, it is inadequate to define anarchism.[3] Therefore, they argue instead that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][11][12][13][14]

As a subtle and anti-dogmatic philosophy, anarchism draws on many currents of thought and strategy. Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy.[15] There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[16] Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[2] Strains of anarchism have often been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications.[17][18] Anarchism is often considered a radical left-wing ideology,[19][20] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

There, I and my buddy Wikipedia defined them correctly for you. Happy? Just as a tip, if you're debating in the future with anyone (though why anyone would want to debate with you is beyond me) bring up sources that support your argument instead of opposing it.

[Maladiq]

There, I and my buddy Wikipedia defined them correctly for you. Happy? Just as a tip, if you're debating in the future with anyone (though why anyone would want to debate with you is beyond me) bring up sources that support your argument instead of opposing it.

And wasn't it easier to say that in the first place instead of "bullshit"? I admit my mistake, and I don't have a problem with admitting it. Next time try to be more revealing than just "bullshit". For the sake of the debate.

My idea of Anarchism was based on some works detailing a capitalistic anarchism I read a while ago, so my view was distorted and regarded that specific type of anarchism to be the "original" one.

[Radical Liberal]

The policies were efficient. At the revolution, Romania had 0 external debt. The suffering was not caused by the anti-dept policies, but by the money-stockpiling policies (since ceausescu wanted to compete with the World Bank in lending money to other countries). Had he stopped at 0 debt, the system would have been pretty sweet.

Now go make a fireball.

Money is created out of Debt... eliminate all of the debt in a country you'll soon end up with a country with little to no money.
how do you expect a country to build infrastructure, provide healthcare etc. if it doesn't have any money to fund these things? That's why sensible debts are needed... Besides the USA and Germany have huge Debts and they are the world's Economic Powerhouses so do the math

[Maladiq]

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[Radical Liberal]

All U.S. government debt is created through the Federal Reserve system. When the government wants more money, the U.S. government swaps U.S. Treasury bonds for "Federal Reserve notes", thus creating more government debt. Usually the money isn't even printed up - most of the time it is just electronically credited to the government. The Federal Reserve creates these "Federal Reserve notes" out of thin air. These Federal Reserve notes are backed by nothing and have no intrinsic value of their own. The Federal Reserve then sells these U.S. Treasury bonds to investors, other nations (such as China) or sometimes they "sell" them back to themselves. In fact, the Federal Reserve has been gobbling up a whole lot of U.S. Treasuries lately. Some refer to this as "monetizing the debt", but that is not quite an accurate statement. When the Federal Reserve creates money this way, it does not also create the money to pay the interest on the debt that has been created. Eventually this puts pressure on the U.S. government to borrow even more money to keep the game going. So what this creates is a spiral where the U.S. government must keep borrowing increasingly larger amounts of money, where the money supply is endlessly expanding and where the value of the U.S. dollar is destined to continue going down forever.

List of Countries by Debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._external_debt
Notice that the poorest countries have no debt
Almost all nations with huge debts, especially the USA have 5% Real Printed Money and 95% Debt Money...

[CommunistCapitalis]

Oh, hey guys!

[Maladiq]

List of Countries by Debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._external_debt
Notice that the poorest countries have no debt
Almost all nations with huge debts, especially the USA have 5% Real Printed Money and 95% Debt Money...

You clearly have the comprehensive aptitudes of a tomato.

[Radical Liberal]

You clearly have the comprehensive aptitudes of a tomato.

Okay go back to glorifying "Communism"... in fact why don't you go live in North Korea?

[Alwin]

Okay go back to glorifying "Communism"... in fact why don't you go live in North Korea?

Why don't you go live in Somalia? None of that 'state' or 'central authority' thing going on there!

[Radical Liberal]

Why don't you go live in Somalia? None of that 'state' or 'central authority' thing going on there!

Government		Federal parliamentary republic
-	President	Hassan Sheikh Mohamud
-	Prime Minister	Abdi Farah Shirdon

Next time you write something stupid please do some research first

[Alwin]

Government		Federal parliamentary republic
-	President	Hassan Sheikh Mohamud
-	Prime Minister	Abdi Farah Shirdon

Next time you write something stupid please do some research first

We all know that the Somali central government is too ineffectual to exert any authority beyond a small part of the country. If you're lucky, you might be able to live for decades in sweet, sweet capitalist anarchy!

[Calin M]

Almost all nations with huge debts, especially the USA have 5% Real Printed Money and 95% Debt Money...

But the thing is that USA can afford huge debts and it has no problem paying them back, but when a country which is already poor like Romania has huge debts, collapse can happen when it has to repay those debts.

[Radical Liberal]

But the thing is that USA can afford huge debts and it has no problem paying them back, but when a country which is already poor like Romania has huge debts, collapse can happen when it has to repay those debts.

That's why I said "taking sensible debts". Take small loans that can be paid easily and can be invested in infrastructure, education (the most important of all), industry etc... things that will have profit and merit.
Greece is a fine example of a "debt junkie"... they have a huge debt which they spent on "booze" xD and in order to pay there debts they took even more debts... this will be a never ending spiral.

sweet capitalist anarchy!

Sounds good to me
if you ignore crime, Somalia is actually a pretty nice land. And I support Piracy in it's many forms

[Calin M]

That's why I said "taking sensible debts". Take small loans that can be paid easily and can be invested in infrastructure, education (the most important of all), industry etc... things that will have profit and merit.

Easier said than done. You have to consider the fact that in a country like Romania, corruption is a big problem and politicians would just steal the funds instead of actually using them for infrastructure industry etc. For example, in 23 years or capitalsm Romania hasn't even managed to construct one real highway, so our infrastructure is practically 0.

[Maladiq]

But the thing is that USA can afford huge debts and it has no problem paying them back, but when a country which is already poor like Romania has huge debts, collapse can happen when it has to repay those debts.

Actually... no. They can't. It is a known fact that the US dollar is being artificially kept alive for 20 or more years. They do not plan on paying those debts any time soon. It is just a less obvious means of printing as much money as they like. And that is basically inflation. Had it been any other country (say Romania) doing the same thing, the amount of RON would so much surpass the number of services and goods in the economic circuit that the inflation would take a couple of months to bankrupt the country.

There isn't even a single proof that they still have the federal gold reserve anymore. Rumour has it that they sold it to the Chinese a long time ago. Switzerland even called for an audit on the federal gold reserve a year ago and... were promptly invited to shove it up their juicy behinds.