[MikeLitoris]

Seriously now. There is a decent number of female humans in G2 and very few but still existent in G3. G1 is a prison colony so lack of human females is justified.

But I've NEVER seen female orcs. So how do these guys reproduce? They seem to be too manly to be gay and its hard to imagine 2 orcs doing gay stuff, but I don't see any other explanation?

[Hellbilly]

What should an orc female look like? In his Discworld novels, Pratchett asserts that an untrained (read: non-dwarf) eye cannot differentiate between male and female dwarves, partially because both sexes have such long beards.

Maybe orc males and females look the same to the human eye.

[MikeLitoris]

What should an orc female look like? In his Discworld novels, Pratchett asserts that an untrained (read: non-dwarf) eye cannot differentiate between male and female dwarves, partially because both sexes have such long beards.

Maybe orc males and females look the same to the human eye.

Wasn't that said in LOTR by Gimli when he was talking to Eowyn ?

But that is cause dwarves are small and clothed, if you shaved their beards and unclothed them you'd probably see the difference in body build. Males are probably more muscular and females have breast, also their faces probably differ at least a little.

A female orc should sound at least a little feminine, and all orcs in G3 have very deep, manly, some almost beastly voices. Not fit for a female, even if its an orc female.

I understand its hard to imagine orcs going balls deep but its possible, and considering the circumstances very likely.

[Hellbilly]

Again, you are assuming orcs should be like humans, except hairier. Who's to say female orcs should conform to human female characteristics? Most mammal females don't have the more "feminine curves" and higher pitched voice that human females have, so why should orcs by necessity have such? A bitch doesn't, to a human ear, sound vastly different from a dog.

[kojocel]

This reminded me of Orcs from Warhammer:

"Orks reproduce through the release of Spores which the Ork's body continually produces, when an Ork dies the spores are released en-mass. In a few hours after the spores hit the ground, they grow into a protective sac underground and a fungi like growth sprouts from the ground that provides the nourishement required. The spores are dispersed by the wind and are very resistant, the only way to ensure a new army is not created is to incinerate the ground for miles around. This is the entire basis of the Orkish ecosystem producing first Squigz, Snotz, Gretchin and finally the Orks themselves. This means the Orks, wherever they go, will have an abundance of food, slaves and other resources, a moving ecosystem that supports them as they go on their Waaaghs! So named because of the color of their waxy skin, the greenskins are savagery personified. They are ill-tempered, primitive, and live only to fight. In the absence of another foe, greenskins will eventually turn on one another for want of violence. In their culture, might makes right and the weakest members of society are one false step away from being dinner."

[The Ore Baron]

This thread reminded me of that one little incident with a sheep.

[MikeLitoris]

Again, you are assuming orcs should be like humans, except hairier. Who's to say female orcs should conform to human female characteristics? Most mammal females don't have the more "feminine curves" and higher pitched voice that human females have, so why should orcs by necessity have such? A bitch doesn't, to a human ear, sound vastly different from a dog.

Well orcs are humanoid, so comparison with human females instead of bitches is only logical.

The Ore Baron are you talking about that orc from Gothic 2 in old camp arena by any chance? Oh god [Bild: igitt.gif]

[Hellbilly]

Well orcs are humanoid, so comparison with human females instead of bitches is only logical.

Sure. And in some ape species, the distinction is equally hard to make with an untrained human eye (AFAIK). And, especially in G1 + G2, orcs are definitely rather ape-ish.

[MikeLitoris]

Yes, you're right about G1 and 2 but in 3 they resemble humans more.

Admittedly, in Gothics 1 and 2 their role was more similar to the one of a creep like a wolf or goblin than to human. Only orc that could actually talk to you was Ur Shak. So maybe they all look the same for the same reason all wolves look the same - they weren't important enough to have 2 different sexes.

But in Gothic 3 situation is completely different. Orcs are on a human level, they speak, give you quests, they look more human and act more human. They have a much more important role and if there was really intended to be female orcs PB would have made it perfectly clear which orcs are female. So, for that reason, I believe orcs are gay.

[Hellbilly]

Or it's like the original Planet Of The Apes, appearance wise if not in the voices.

Alternatively, in G3, one could perhaps theorize about the orcs representing the military occupation force, not civilian non-military orcs, and that their customs do not allow females to be warriors. That would be a pretty logical explanation for the absence of female orcs in G3, if one considers it an absolute that female orcs must look and sound drastically different from males.

[NCONiall]

I remember reading that they left their women and children in search for new land, the Myrtanian orcs that is. I'm not sure if this was an official source; it may have been from the Almanach here(which has since disappeared). The Khorinian orcs may have been bred at Irdorath and then shipped over to Khorinis.

[Maladiq]

Gothic Wikia Stub


Orcs are humanoid mammals, created by Beliar as a response to humans worshiping Innos. [citation needed] As far as it is known, there are two species of orcs, the Khorinis proto-orcs, and the mainland orcs, a more evolved species.

Origins

As being said in an old book [citation needed, since I can't remember it, but I am pretty sure this is the case], Beliar created the orcs in order to have his own intelligent beast over which he could rule. Based on their level of cultural development and the area over which they are spread, it seems apparent that the place of creation of the Orcs was the island of Khorinis. Had they been created elsewhere, it would mean that they would have had to sail to the island, and in this case, nothing provides an explanation as to why they never returned to the mainland, why they are not building ships for economical activities or why their civilization seems to have regressed from a technological point of view.

As for the Mainland Orcs, there are two theories. Either they were created at a later time by Beliar, or they evolved from the Khorinis orcs. Since there is no mention of a later creation process, it is to be assumed that the latter theory is the correct one.

Based on the fortifications existing inside the Colony, dating back from the First Orc War, it seems that the humans faced a larger army of orcs than the orcish population on Khorinis during the Hero's stay on the island would have us believe. This theory is supported by the size of the Sleeper's Temple on the island, which would have required massive amounts of workers to be built.

If in the beginning the Khorinian orcish population was so large, accordingly to the clues found, the decline of it could only be caused by plague, war or slavery.

Since their culture lacks any kind of technological development, it could be easily assumed that the more advanced humans, when meeting the orcish population, would have easily managed to defeat them in combat and capture them as slaves. An orc-slave market explains how the orcs got the mainland in the first place. The slavery theory is supported by the fact that humans still used slaves in the ore mines during the Hero's time inside the Barrier.

Since Myrtana is heavily populated by humans, the only orcs who could have escaped and got away would be the ones in the lesser populated north. Since the south belonged to the humans, there was only one way to go for the escaped slaves. The escaped orcs, now having technological knowledge, could have easily established a civilization, and in hundreds or even thousands of years, evolved to a different physiology as a consequence of changing the environment from a tempered area to a deeply low temperature one.

Relationship between the two species

During the First Orc war, Rhobar the First managed to defeat the Orcs in the north and unite the whole of Myrtana. It could be assumed that during the conflict the whole population of Orcs which served as slaves rose against their oppressors and subsequently got killed or managed to escape to the north.

The first contact between the mainland orcs and the khorinian orcs could have happened around that time, since the former needed warriors and better weapons, forged of magical ore. The military relationship between the two species have endured until the end of the second orc war.

During the Siege of the Keep of the Valley of Mines (see article) and the subsequent Battle for Khorinis, the mainland orcs have sent hundreds, or even thousands of orcish soldiers and lizardmen. The orc troupes sent were composed of Khorinian orcs, which would support the theory above mentioned, which stated war as a cause for the decline of the khorinian population.

This leads to the conclusion that the Khorinian orcs have sent troups to the mainland for hundreds of years, until the moment in which the barrier was created, thus shrinking their population.

Since there was not a single sighting of a Nordsorc and Khoriorc hybrid, it could be assumed that the Nordsorcs see the khorinis orcs as an inferior species and little more than cannon fodder.


Sexual Dimorphism and Physiology

The Khoriorcs

Since all orcs have their inguinal region covered by groin cloth, it is safe to assume that they have sexual organs, and thus reproduce sexually, and the cultural concept of sex as a tabu. There is no indication of any clear sexual dimorphism between males and females. Since there is not a single known perfectly hermaphrodite mammal, we can assume that they have different sexes.

If we assume that hormonally they function as any other mammal, then the testosterone intake of the males would makem them slightly larger and more powerful than their counterparts. This would make them apt to carry heavy weapons and armours.

In the Orcish Village inside the Colony, there have been slightly smaller orcs, without armour or weapons, or carring light weapons or armours. In this category there is the Gothic 1 Orc Hunter and the eatting orc, both with 40 strength, the Orc Cemetery Orc Hunter, with 30 strength, while the drumming and dancing orcs both have 50 strength.

We can either assume that they are orc females, or that the weaker orc hunters are just teenager orcs which prepare to become orc fighters or warriors, and that they have yet to mature even to the level of full grown females.

The bare-chested orc show nipples, therefore the orcs have mammary glands and breast-feed their young. If they resemble the majority of the mammal females, then their mammary glands would only become engorged during pregnancy and breast feeding stages, the orc females having a flat chest the rest of the time. This theory is supported by the fact that the Orcs cover only their groins and not the chest, thus showing that the chest and mammary glands are not seens as being a part of their sexual practices, breast only plaing a part in child raising.

The Nordsorcs

It is unclear if they have developed a total lack of sexual dimorphism through evolution or if they simply did not bring their females from the north. Since males of most species are larger and more violent, we will assume the latter theory is the right one. This is supported by the fact that most of the mainland was not totally pacified at the time the Hero reached the mainland, and the orcs would have no reason to sacrifice their women and children by bringing them in the middle of the conflict with the Rebels.


To be continued, I am lazy

[TudoracheMG]

Wasn't there some similar thread about Bengar's farm being inhabitted only by men? Some people question sausage to sausage action too much

[SkullX]

Wasn't there some similar thread about Bengar's farm being inhabitted only by men? Some people question sausage to sausage action too much

Laughfin my sausage off right now
But fact is that it's war, you dont bring women to war, Gothic 3 did had some women who joined the war, but as a fact they don't

Maybe Orc Shamans are females...But that wouldnt make sense in G3 now

[Hellbilly]

Wasn't there some similar thread about Bengar's farm being inhabitted only by men? Some people question sausage to sausage action too much

But Bengar (or was it someone else on the farm?) does have that one deliciously suggesting line of dialogue...

[NCONiall]

But Bengar (or was it someone else on the farm?) does have that one deliciously suggesting line of dialogue...

You got that right, this 'ere's a man's farm!

[Phillip of the Fire Clan]

The Ore Baron are you talking about that orc from Gothic 2 in old camp arena by any chance? Oh god [Bild: igitt.gif]

Most likely.
It's settled then: orcs use sheep to multiply.

But Bengar (or was it someone else on the farm?) does have that one deliciously suggesting line of dialogue...

Yep. When the NH asks him about Pardos and after a few lines Bengar says: ˝... with me he could do whatever he wanted˝. And there's 2 beds close to each other in the house so I'm guessing ...

[NCONiall]

Yep. When the NH asks him about Pardos and after a few lines Bengar says: ˝... with me he could do whatever he wanted˝. And there's 2 beds close to each other in the house so I'm guessing ...

Just goes to show how innocent my mind is, I never really thought of it that way.

[guru666]

No, no,no, no and no why would orc females go to the battle??? the orc get to the battle to take over khorinis ,the castle in the vm, they come fro mountains to take over myrtana and so on..... the females are at home somewhere.... the orc are like the vikings they go plunder rape the womens) and then with victory they go home to them:P
am i right or am i right?

[KGS]

what about the lizardmen