[lykos]

I read that Gothic 3 will be far more better than Oblivion in the plot and the freedom the player has but i don't know which of them will better at graphics.Do you know something about the graphics Gothic 3 will have and if these graphics will be better from Oblivion ? What other things do you know that will make Gothic better or worse from Oblivion?

[Ynmar]

I read that Gothic 3 will be far more better than Oblivion in the plot and the freedom the player has but i don't know which of them will better at graphics.Do you know something about the graphics Gothic 3 will have and if these graphics will be better from Oblivion ? What other things do you know that will make Gothic better or worse from Oblivion?

I read in Level - a Romanian games magazine( thanx Radu!)- that G3's graphics won't be as nice as OB.
But I've seen user on the JoWooD forum claiming that G3's graphics will exceed OB's.

[Kraszu]

For me based on screens it is better, maybe not from technical standpoint but artistic wise face in Oblivion are simply horrible. Also I don't like Oblivion grafix because everything is so shinny. It is a matter of preference but "objectively" the gafix is at the same level (if you just count technically staff) I guess.

I think that G3 will be much better because:
-quest would have different solutions.
-3 endings
-better atmosphere
-much better dialogues.
-no global scalling to your level like in Oblivion (there will be some kind of scalling in G3 but not overdone like in Oblivion because we know that you are naturally limited in are to explore because stronger creatures lives in other parts of the land)
-it will be imposibole to finish game at lvl 2, or became arena champion at level 1 and so on.

[lykos]

-it will be imposibole to finish game at lvl 2, or became arena champion at level 1 and so on.

The fact that you can finish the main quest being level 2 in Oblivion is truly bad. Another thing that i didn't like that much was that there was no war!! The whole land belonged to the empire! There were no campaigns, no battles just Oblivion Gate closing.

[Kraszu]

Yes that is also stupid. The demos from hell invade continent and nobody seems to care about it, haw imersive, and the invsion fropm hell in tes world = some monsters near gate from hell. The game lacks of any correlation beetwin guild, beetwin mq and npc, it is like couple average linear games in one game, it doesn't make good game for me just long average game.

[Danutz_plusplus]

There is a big difference between G3's graphics and Oblivion's graphics. Oblivion has very blurry, mystical graphics thx to shader's that modify the final rendered image. Gothic, on the other hand, has very sharp and realistic graphics because they chose not to do those things. Imo they did that to keep the game looking more like G1 and G2. Oblivion is very different in graphics compared to Morrowind, imo.

In the end, I prefer G3's graphics because it gives a nice sense of realism. But graphics are not the ones that matter in an RPG. They matter more in an FPS. In and rpg you have to have a very nice story, Gothic has that, with lots of twists and turns, gothic has that also, nice gameplay, belivable characters, and a well rounded game world that will keep up there for hours and hours. And it also has to have great replayability, because this gives the game a longer life.

So,
Graphics: These are subjective, we cant say that Oblivion is better in this department than Gothic 3. i prefer Gothic 3.
Story: This is also very subjective, but I also prefer the story in gothic.
Gameplay: Here Gothic wins with a KO against Oblivion. Oblivion has very boring gameplay. The combat is boring as hell, the interaction with the world isn't anything great. While Gothic has very nice combat, great interaction with the world, the chat system is brilliant. I'm not sure but I believe that Gothic is the first rpg to have all dialogues spoken. And that is something.
Game world: Here gothic also wins imo, due to the great social life and structure of the different camps, cities etc. In Oblivion the chars arent' doing anything interesting.
Where Oblivion would win is the huge game world, but it's very flat, compared to gothic's world.
Of course this is just my oppinion. Someone else might think otherwise when comparing these games.

[lykos]

I want to say that in Oblivion you are forced to play in the side of the emperor only and not to choose between the emperor and Mehrunes Dagon. This makes tha game very unrealistic because one day you assasin innocent people or drink their blood and the other day you fight to protect them. On the other hand Gothic gives you the realistic opportunnity to choose between many sides.

[cipris]

Is no use to compare these two games, and you don't have what to compare.
The only common thing is the both are RPG and you can play them with one hero.
The graphics, the combat sistem, the story, the gameplay.... all are diferent.
And all this are worse at Oblivion. Even the Morrowind was more interesting. Oblivion is a joke.

[GodZeys]

Look, to say the truth, Oblivions screenshots were not from PC but from Bethesdas engine...thats why the grafics are so different in trailers than in reality.
G3 screenshots are from a PC.Thats means that the grafics will be the same in our PCs...
First of all:
In G3 there wont be any loading bars.The trees ,the grass and the structures wont pop up from nowere like in Oblivion.That means that the long distance view will have great graffics too. In Oblivion everything is good from the distance of 5-10 meters and the long distance view reminds super mario...

To compare...the trees are better in Oblivion but the forests are not so thick as in G3...Actualy in G3 the forests will remind thick jungles and not royal forests like in Oblivion. The grass leaves in G3 looks better...The sky also looks much better...the magic effects are about 5 times better in G3.

Now in G3 the NPcs got more than 12000 polygons.And every face got 6000 polygons. In Oblivion i dont know how many polygons they use...but i think something similar...Also full dialogs will be in G3 and much better...

It is gonna be much better game. Huge world to explore, better combat system, better magic, GREAT story and grafics similar to Oblivions...

Just compare:I dont think that any creature in Oblivion got better grafics than the minecrawler in G3!

[Danutz_plusplus]

To compare...the trees are better in Oblivion but the forests are not so thick as in G3...Actualy in G3 the forests will remind thick jungles and not royal forests like in Oblivion. The grass leaves in G3 looks better..

Well I can't say that foliage is better in gothic 3 than in Oblivion. I must admit my jaw fell when i saw those bushes. It was eye-poping, I have to admit. And i have not seen any foliage in gothic 3 that looks better than in oblivion. But everything is better in g3.

[GodZeys]

Come on now, look how thick the forest is in G3...the same was in G2. In Oblivion every tree got 10 meters distance from the other...but as i said, the grafics are better in Oblivion...they seem more outstanding!


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[SirPaladin]

I`m soooooo curious on how Gamespot`ll rate G3. It rates Oblivion 9,3, although I can even bet it`ll rate G3 something around 8. Why? Well, it`s pretty obvious, as far as they say Oblivion`s combat is brilliant.

I can`t judge, sadly, YET. I`ll play Oblivion soon enough, so I`ll be back here and mention it.

[Kraszu]

Gamespot rated Gothic2 like 78% if I rember correct, idiot that write review said that it is bad designed because on the way to the town there is a wolf that is imposibole to kill whit lvl 1 char (there is young wolf that you kill easy) and that the game is bad because you start whit weak char, sound like somebody who would give Oblivious 9.3. I don't give rat ass what score he give to any game.

[GodZeys]

I dont give a shit about the Gamespots rating...even if it will be 4/100

Finaly understand that all sites and magazines will give a rating compare to the money they will get from the developers and publishers of each game...

[Kraszu]

I dont give a shit about the Gamespots rating...even if it will be 4/100

Finaly understand that all sites and magazines will give a rating compare to the money they will get from the developers and publishers of each game...

They don't even have to pay them, you gave my last game 80% and didn't say it was super extra cool? Ok no exclusives for you, they don't have to worry about score for less know firm/game.

[lykos]

Please don't go too off-topic. We are discussing the diffrences between G3 and Oblivion not about the magazine's ratings

[SirPaladin]

Finaly understand that all sites and magazines will give a rating compare to the money they will get from the developers and publishers of each game...

I`m not so stupid, you know. The only thing is that I doubt Gamespot will give an 8 for a perfect G3.

Please don't go too off-topic. We are discussing the diffrences between G3 and Oblivion not about the magazine's ratings

A big difference between the two is the magazine ratings. So don`t pseudo-moderate on me.

[lykos]

Ok SirPaladin ratings is a diferrence but let's talk about the in-game differences ,because these are who the most people care about and not about the rating Gamespot or any other site or magazine will give to Gothic and to Oblivion.

[Kraszu]

I`m not so stupid, you know. The only thing is that I doubt Gamespot will give an 8 for a perfect G3.

That is very subjective, if review thinks that scaling is great idea and he likes rpg that you can finish at level 2 he would boost score for that. After reading g2 review I know that he have no idea what good rpg is.

[Onisuzume]

One site doesn't give a good view of how good a game is.
Nor does one magazine.
You'd need to look at the overall result of multiple reviews.
Here's Oblivion's: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...ew/924363.html
And here's Gothic II's: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...ew/561413.html
Look at the scores and you'll see that Tes IV for a lot more bad scores then G2.
Oh and btw, Gamespot gave G1 a score of 72%... on 12/18/2001

As for the G³ vs. TES⁴:
Read the low score reviews for my general opinion on TES⁴.
And with that and PB's previous games in mind: G³ is going to kick TES⁴'s Arse into oblivion.