[foris]

I've been studying many philosophers(materialists, idealists etc) last months for many subjects, so I decided to open a discussion in a matter that I think that everyone might be worried of.

What happens after you die in your opinion?? It's a scientific fact that every living organism is consisted by source of energy. Is this energy conscious?? Does it proexist?? Is it upon phenomenological??
What happens to it after death?? Does it get lost?? Does it survive?? Does it survive as ''energy'' by returning to the ''system''?? Does it survive as conscience??

There have been many opinions in history over it, you can tell your opinions through your experiences or your knowledge or even suggestions so that we discuss it!!!

[Ariogaisus]

It's a matter of believing. I think we'll just be incarnated but what do i know. We may be lifeless corpses, for all eternity, i just don't know. Nobody knows.

[ICFabian]

You get merged into peanuts.

[Bastardo]

What happens after you die in your opinion?? It's a scientific fact that every living organism is consisted by source of energy that we can easily call it ''soul''. What happens to it after death??

Ehrm, what are you talking about? Your body IS energy. Energy and matter are interchangeable. As for what happens, entropy happens. At some point the energy that once was your body will reach a temperature of absolute zero, just like the rest of the Universe, and that'll be the ultimate state of everything. That's the point in history when shit stops happening, for ever.

As for your consciousness, that is an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health. Sick brain, weird consciousness; dead brain, no consciousness.

[ICFabian]

Ehrm, what are you talking about? Your body IS energy. Energy and matter are interchangeable. As for what happens, eventually entropy happens. At some point the energy that once was your body will reach a temperature of absolute zero, just like the rest of the Universe, and that'll be the ultimate state of everything. That's the point in history when shit stops happening, for ever.

As for your consciousness, that is an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health. Sick brain, weird consciousness; dead brain, no consciousness.

some things you just see coming

[Bastardo]

some things you just see coming

Well, one can pull things out of their arse and out of ancient or new age literature, or one can give their layman understanding based on what scientists in applicable fields have observed so far. While both ways to go about things are subject to being utterly wrong, only one goes beyond making shit up.

[ICFabian]

Well, one can pull things out of their arse and out of ancient or new age literature, or one can give their layman understanding based on what scientists in applicable fields have observed so far. While both ways to go about things are subject to being utterly wrong, only one goes beyond making shit up.

Your opinion is absolutely tenable, despite the fact that it runs counter to the OP's views.

[Bastardo]

Your opinion is absolutely tenable, despite the fact that it runs counter to the OPs views.

Thanks. The OP's views are wrong though, what he called scientific fact is everything but.

[Omid-]

Ehrm, what are you talking about? Your body IS energy. Energy and matter are interchangeable. As for what happens, entropy happens. At some point the energy that once was your body will reach a temperature of absolute zero, just like the rest of the Universe, and that'll be the ultimate state of everything. That's the point in history when shit stops happening, for ever.

As for your consciousness, that is an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health. Sick brain, weird consciousness; dead brain, no consciousness.

Shit. When I read this kind of stuff I think to myself I should really start living life to it's fullest and try to enjoy it as much as I can, but then I end up masturbating to midget gay porn 5 minutes later and forget all about this single precious life given to me.

[SkullX]

After death...you're dead...won't happpen anything...

But I would like to belive that you can...aa...no you're just dead...

May you'll guard some magic item on a tomb as a zombie, just a bit of Gothic lore.

[Bastardo]

Whatever actually happens I always put my money on Nature acting against us.

For example would conscious energy even be able to sense? Spending aeons without external awareness sounds like a fate worse than death.
Even if it can sense, it is subject to the laws of physics. All energy in the observable universe behaves in a certain way and by itself has no motility.
You'd be a prisoner of your new form, a ball in a game of pinball.

Also, what happens when a sentient animal dies and part of their energy goes into another sentient animal? Consciousception?

[attila3453]

I think death is like a longer sleep. It's strange that only when you're awake you see that you've been sleeping, or if dreaming, that the dreams were just in your head. Maybe you start dreaming, seeing your whole life, but what happens after you aren't able to physically wake up, it beats me.

[TudoracheMG]

I heard that if you're having an erection right before death,it will remain permanent because your body creates a little gremlin that forms a 'dam' around the liquid which caused the erection

[Yavanna]

Ehrm, what are you talking about? Your body IS energy. Energy and matter are interchangeable. As for what happens, entropy happens. At some point the energy that once was your body will reach a temperature of absolute zero, just like the rest of the Universe, and that'll be the ultimate state of everything. That's the point in history when shit stops happening, for ever.

As for your consciousness, that is an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health. Sick brain, weird consciousness; dead brain, no consciousness.

What he said.

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You get merged into peanuts.

I'm inclined to believe this might truly be possible.

[Hellbilly]

Also, what happens when a sentient animal dies and part of their energy goes into another sentient animal? Consciousception?

Well, when you follow the thought through...

Matter and energy are interchangeable, there is no "mystical element" called soul, consciousness is (to quote you) "an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health"... that means that consciousness is a property of the energy in you (as the brain is matter, and matter is interchangeable with energy). And since, bit by bit, the energy bound in our bodies is released back into the universe as we decompose, what constituted our consciousness is therefore also released back into the universe.

So, I'd say, pretty much nothing at all happens.

[foris]

Well, when you follow the thought through...

Matter and energy are interchangeable, there is no "mystical element" called soul, consciousness is (to quote you) "an emergent property of your brain and completely contingent on its function and health"... that means that consciousness is a property of the energy in you (as the brain is matter, and matter is interchangeable with energy).

Exactly that, energy or soul it's just the name that changes!!! It's mind that controls the brain, just like the whole body, not the body the soul or mind, these 2 elements are what make you different personalities, or in other words yourselves!!!

@One stoned Bastard your opinion is materialist and intresting indeed, but think a little, energy is consisted by atoms, which the word itself means, no incision. After the body goes useless(dies) the energy leaves the body, it doesn't end as you say, if it was like that we wouldn't be any different than robots. You can't say everything is a result of brain, cause brain is already controlled by intellect, if you understand what I mean.

It's a matter of believing. I think we'll just be incarnated but what do i know. We may be lifeless corpses, for all eternity, i just don't know. Nobody knows.

It's actually a matter of knowledge or experience which results in believing something(unless it's matter of religion), the corpse will be corpse no matter what, scientifically a useless body can't rise. Even with modern technology that can give energy to a corpse, it will be able to walk but won't be different than a zombie, cause it will be missing something really important, intellect. Maybe I should have changed the title into: ''What happens to soul after death in your opinion''.

I think death is like a longer sleep.

In that I can agree in a point, sleep is something like a minimum but not permanent death!!!

[SkullX]

I think death is like a longer sleep. It's strange that only when you're awake you see that you've been sleeping, or if dreaming, that the dreams were just in your head. Maybe you start dreaming, seeing your whole life, but what happens after you aren't able to physically wake up, it beats me.

Agreed, probably you wont see you're life...you'll just be in that sleep ideea.

[Bastardo]

@One stoned Bastard your opinion is materialist and intresting indeed, but think a little, energy is consisted by atoms, which the word itself means, no incision.

You got that backwards. Atoms consist of energy. You observe an atom and see the amount of energy, not the other way around.
Also, words have no effect on reality. Look up nuclear fission, where does the atom bomb come from?

After the body goes useless(dies) the energy leaves the body, it doesn't end as you say,

A body is energy. A dead body is energy. Everything is energy.

if it was like that we wouldn't be any different than robots.

First off that's unsubstantiated but in any case, free will may very well be an illusion.

You can't say everything is a result of brain, cause brain is already controlled by intellect, if you understand what I mean.

No, the brain is not controlled by intellect. Try and make your heart stop. Hate your mom. Don't think about a PINK ELEPHANT.

[foris]

You got that backwards. Atoms consist of energy.A body is energy. A dead body is energy. Everything is energy.

There are many kinds of energy and it doesn't work the same for all kinds. Atomic energy, electric energy and so on.

Also, words have no effect on reality.

They do if you actually look at their roots.

First off that's unsubstantiated but in any case, free will may very well be an illusion.

Don't you agree with that?? Tell me what's the difference between humans other animals and other living organisms with robots.

No, the brain is not controlled by intellect. Try and make your heart stop. Hate your mom. Don't think about a PINK ELEPHANT.

Didn't get that, the ''pink elephant'' thingie is imagination, you know according to stoic philosophers imagination is related with the through feeling, real object and it is coming through something that exists.
Imagination is for stoic philosophers, how can I explain it a survey(or something like that) in the soul.
Others got another opinion though.

[Bastardo]

There are many kinds of energy and it doesn't work the same for all kinds. Atomic energy, electric energy and soon.

That's like saying there are different kind of lenghts and when you measure the size of a football field one meter is not the same as when you measure the size of your backyard. No, one meter is one meter and one kilocalorie is one kilocalorie.

They do if you actually look at their roots.

No, they don't. Otherwise we could define things into existence as if we were gods.

Well that's just modern naming for a modern kind of weapon, the right one is ''nuclear bomb'', since it works with nuclear materials and has nothing to do with the actual meaning of atoms!!!

It's not just naming. Funny that you mention "nuclear". The whole reason the bomb goes boom is because inside it, nuclei are split from atoms. That is, the atom is divided. Ancient Greece is cool and all but science has made some progress since then.

Don't you agree with that?? Tell me what's the difference between humans other animals and other living organisms with robots.

Robots don't grow and procreate.