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Methos_1001

20.01.2006, 19:50

*I did a good search before I posted this but with all the german in the search I could not find anything*

I was wondering if anyone had talked with Ur-Shak in Gothic 2 without having killed Hosh-Pak and if it was possible to not piss off Ur-Shak, not killing Hosh-Pak, and even having Ur-Shak meet up with Hosh-Pak.

I ended up killing Ur-Shak after he said that he would kill me next time we met hehe... I figured it would be easyer to kill him now rather than after he had a hoard of orcs under his control... I expect that he will be in G3 no doubt.

Also, does anyone else find it kinda silly how after you've wiped the entire orcish hoard from valley of mines, that the paladins in the castle still think they are under seige.

Methos

rockfest

20.01.2006, 19:57

I was wondering if anyone had talked with Ur-Shak in Gothic 2 without having killed Hosh-Pak and if it was possible to not piss off Ur-Shak, not killing Hosh-Pak, and even having Ur-Shak meet up with Hosh-Pak.

from my knowledge what you want is not possible. Maybe i'm mistaking but i doubt it.

Also, does anyone else find it kinda silly how after you've wiped the entire orcish hoard from valley of mines, that the paladins in the castle still think they are under seige.

And what are they supposed to do? Remember that orc wall? They don't know what is behind it. Those orcs outside the castle are only scouts imo. The real army *should* be behind the wall. ;)

Sowilo

20.01.2006, 20:08

I think you have to kill Hosh-Pak, but I never talked with Ur Shak. I just didn't find him so that he couldn't say sth to me. But I fear that he will meet me in Gothic³ again and I think that he knows that I am responsible for the murdering...

WernerTWC

20.01.2006, 20:24

*I did a good search before I posted this but with all the german in the search I could not find anything*
You can use "Advanced Serach" when you click on "search", there you can choose which forum you are search in, i.e. the english-forums.

I was wondering if anyone had talked with Ur-Shak in Gothic 2 without having killed Hosh-Pak and if it was possible to not piss off Ur-Shak, not killing Hosh-Pak, and even having Ur-Shak meet up with Hosh-Pak.
No, Ur-Shak shows up on that hill near the castle only when you first kill Hosh-Pak, no chance for a meeting.

I expect that he will be in G3 no doubt.
I don´t think so for 2 reasons:
- It was meant that the player kill them both, you don´t have to, but imho it wouldn´t fit the story.

- The new orcs: They are looking totally different than the old ones, it would be a big problem to design a believable Ur-Shak/Hosh-Pak with the new engine.

Also, does anyone else find it kinda silly how after you've wiped the entire orcish hoard from valley of mines, that the paladins in the castle still think they are under seige.
Yeah,... it would be a funny thing to first wipe them all (somehow) out and then talk to Palas in the castle for the first time, no orc out there, but all talking about them!^^

Methos_1001

20.01.2006, 20:32

Hehe, yeah, the entire army of 1 signpost by an alien dwarf will destroy them all... but you do have a point, the paladins dont know that... Still, you'd think they would say something in reference to it like "Thank you for killing all those orcs surrounding the castle, more will surely come from behind that wall but atleast you've given us some time to regroup and prepare"

Sowilo: Ur-Shak can be found on the hill just above the mining camp where you are asked to deal with the leader of the pack snapper.

Methos.

EDIT:
You can use "Advanced Serach" when you click on "search", there you can choose which forum you are search in, i.e. the english-forums.

Ahh, thanks for the heads up.

No, Ur-Shak shows up on that hill near the castle only when you first kill Hosh-Pak, no chance for a meeting.

Oh, I hadn't noticed that lol, oh well

I don´t think so for 2 reasons:
- It was meant that the player kill them both, you don´t have to, but imho it wouldn´t fit the story.

- The new orcs: They are looking totally different than the old ones, it would be a big problem to design a believable Ur-Shak/Hosh-Pak with the new engine.

I disagree, Ur-Shak really DID have power within his people as he tells us... He simply says that next time we meet we are no longer friends and that he will kill us.

Therefore, assuming that we didn't kill him he could have travelled over the sea and be one of many orc leaders, that are attacking the mainland... It would be good for some short dialog like "Ur-Shak tell you that we no friends, you no should have come here human, you die now" etc

The new engine and new look of the orcs wouldn't affect it that much, they ARE all the same orcs anyway, just with a new look... (however I do hope that they have some diversity within the orcs, some brown, some green, different shades etc)

As for Hosh-Pak... he's gone anyway.

I believe it will be those little things, the meetings with past friends and foes that will really help the game... meeting up with Lord hagen again for instance, who finally managed to get some of that ore hehe, who knows, only the Devs I guess.

banzino_gothic

20.01.2006, 21:10

from my knowledge what you want is not possible. Maybe i'm mistaking but i doubt it.

And what are they supposed to do? Remember that orc wall? They don't know what is behind it. Those orcs outside the castle are only scouts imo. The real army *should* be behind the wall. ;)

I went over the wall and I saw what is in there It is a wide place no life just soil, and same geographic of gothic 1 .and in the middle there is a sign put by the creators .can not remember what was it talking about .very nice i advice you to go behind the wall to see what is there . :)

Sowilo

20.01.2006, 21:32

The new engine and new look of the orcs wouldn't affect it that much, they ARE all the same orcs anyway, just with a new look... (however I do hope that they have some diversity within the orcs, some brown, some green, different shades etc)
Not really. Piranha Bytes said that the changed the look of the Orcs for 2 reasons:
1. They have a better engine^^
2. In the other parts Xardas and Ur Shak tell you that that the Orcs have a cultur with prophets. They build the sleeper temple they build the Orc Arena, they are a old civilization with an religion. The developers have the opinion that the player know that but don't belief the Orc their culture cause they just look like monsters. And "they were designed" as monsters.
So they think that have to change the design of the Orcs to a look which you concede their culture.
KaiRo told us at the Games Convention that the "Khorinis Orcs" are a kind of prehistoric Orc race. But the problem is that we see in Gothic 1 a battle at the mainland with Khorinis orcs. The reason is at that time they didn't thought about Gothic² or Gothic³.
In the German forum we allready had a discussion if the Orcs are the old one with a new design or an other race. The result: If we see Ur Shak in Gothic³ we will have the answer. If he looks similar to the other Orcs it is just an other design and if he looks different it is an other race.

rockfest

20.01.2006, 21:41

In the German forum we allready had a discussion if the Orcs are the old one with a new design or an other race. The result: If we see Ur Shak in Gothic³ we will have the answer. If he looks similar to the other Orcs it is just an other design and if he looks different it is an other race.

Why don't they say that the new orcs are a new race? Imo there's no need of any old orc like Ur-Shack. Let's be real...how can an orc travel to the mainland without a ship?
Besides that, the continent is already overrun. In khorninis there is still need of a leader orc and i don't see why he should leave. It would seem logical imo. The "small" race of orcs wich had were together on the mainland with the "new" one were ordered to leave for khorinis where they will establish a base and try to overrun it. Khorinis has a great importance for the continent and since there already are a few of them left from the old days, they could join and try to conquer it. And maybe this little race of orcs were more into magic system. The ones from the mainland are fighting ones and there's another reason why they should go to the island(the avatar needed priests)...
I could stay and write here alot of this "reasons" but... :D

silver_reaver

20.01.2006, 22:07

Ur-Shak ? the one from Gothic 1 ? I never saw him in G2. I killed Hosh-Pak but I didn't meet Ur-Shak. he's the one with the Ulu-Mulu ? I liked that orc. I know what is behind that wall. It is neithere of my expections.

Sowilo

20.01.2006, 22:11

Let's be real...how can an orc travel to the mainland without a ship?
In the manual of Gothic 1 is written that the Orcs destroyed the whole royal fleet except of the Esmeralda. So they should be able to reach the mainland. And how dou you think the (additional) Orcs came to Khorinis? I can't remember but didn't you get the information that the Orcs are disembarked in the Valley of Mine? That sounds like they used ships. And anyone tell you that the Orcs cover their berths with walls. So if the developers would had enough time we shouldn't find the sign behind the Orc wall we should find a camp with galleys.'

Ur-Shak ? the one from Gothic 1 ? I never saw him in G2.
Yes this one. Like it was written you can meet him near the mine where you have to kill the snappers. I knew that but didn't found him^^.

WernerTWC

21.01.2006, 12:56

Here is the sign:

click (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4404/schild9of.jpg)

Rashnu

21.01.2006, 16:03

Here is the sign:
click (http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4404/schild9of.jpg)

Yeah - even the dwarf's grammar is bad. :D

I disagree, Ur-Shak really DID have power within his people as he tells us... He simply says that next time we meet we are no longer friends and that he will kill us.

Exactly my thinking. Ur-Shak never died in my games and I certainly hope to see him again in G3.

Colonelu

21.01.2006, 19:49

Never seen Ur-shak in g2 :confused: i should search for him :)

OveR-

22.01.2006, 01:59

For those who can't find Ur-Shak, if I remember it correct he is on top of one of the Ore mines you have to visit, the one to the south with the snappers and the lake I think... Go to him and talk about Hosh-Pak

Flea

28.01.2006, 13:03

As for me, i kill Ur-Shak every time when i play G2 extra EXP :G

_DieGo_

28.01.2006, 13:25

So... i found Ur-Shak, i talked with him about Hos-Pack bla bla, and now can i help him somehow? Or i can just kill Hosh-Pack and make my Old Orc Friend angry? :(

OveR-

28.01.2006, 13:59

best thing to do is kill them both... after hosh pak is dead ur shak will tell u that next time you meet you will be enemies

Erzgeist

28.01.2006, 14:59

I hope that ur-shak will be your friend in G³. I liked him.

Roock

28.01.2006, 16:22

I hope that ur-shak will be your friend in G³. I liked him.

I thought that you kill UR-SHAK after he learns that you killd HOSH-PACK and he attacks you :confused:

Rashnu

28.01.2006, 20:00

I thought that you kill UR-SHAK after he learns that you killd HOSH-PACK and he attacks you :confused:

Why would you think that? In all my Gothic games, Ur-Shak still lives when I face the big boss at the end.

In G2 he stands at the top of the hill overlooking the mine valley and the old castle camp - staring at an empty and completely void place. There is no living Ork besides him. :cool: Well, that's the case in my Gothic scenarios. ;)

OveR-

28.01.2006, 20:33

Why would you think that? In all my Gothic games, Ur-Shak still lives when I face the big boss at the end.

In G2 he stands at the top of the hill overlooking the mine valley and the old castle camp - staring at an empty and completely void place. There is no living Ork besides him. :cool: Well, that's the case in my Gothic scenarios. ;)

I prefer killing him, the less enemies the betteR :)

Rashnu

28.01.2006, 20:56

I don't consider Ur-Shak as enemy.

He is an old friend way back from the times when I was still the king's prisoner. He helped me find a peaceful way into the Ork city. I helped him against his brothers and saved his still captive friend T...something in the mine.

We respect each other - even when his heart was full of sorrow because of the death of Hosh-Pak (by my hand), he couldn't bring himself to raise his arms against me. I had no reason to repay him by betraying that respect.

You should always honour your enemies - and forgive your friends. Ur-Shak was not himself when he issued his warning about our next encounter. He was stricken with grief. I will not hold that against him.

Mondo

29.01.2006, 08:26

I also wanted ur-shak as my friend §gnah

You should always honour your enemies - and forgive your friends. Ur-Shak was not himself when he issued his warning about our next encounter. He was stricken with grief. I will not hold that against him.

amen the ur-shak-stranger alliance will live again!

Godcrusher

29.01.2006, 08:34

Heck he says that another time we meet him they will be enemis( is you kill Hosh-Pak) so what th heck there will be no next time ;)

_DieGo_

29.01.2006, 08:35

I prefer killing him, the less enemies the betteR :)
Question for you: If you will kill a friend of DieGo by mistake in G3 and he will say exactly like Ur-Shak "the next time ..." will you kill him (DieGo) ??

OveR-

29.01.2006, 11:34

Question for you: If you will kill a friend of DieGo by mistake in G3 and he will say exactly like Ur-Shak "the next time ..." will you kill him (DieGo) ??

what friend would that be?

anyway the answer is no: I would use an obliovion scroll on him, but if he would try to kill me I would probably let him burn!

for me hosh pak is not an old friend (havng played G1), for me he is just an orc that doesnt attack me and then suddenly wants to attack me, i tried going to him after he said that and he wanted to kill me!

ss07ax

29.01.2006, 11:47

No, no and no Diego isn't going to attack you §nana because he was, is and going to be your best friend. He saveed you in the colony and helped you always. Diego is your best friend!

rekinu

29.01.2006, 12:54

I don't want to kill Ur-Shack. I never killed him. After he said that next time we will be enemies, I never talked to him. But I think in Gothic 3, he would have forgotten that we killed Hosh-Pack, I don't think he will appear in Gothic 3, dough. :)

DeadlyArrow

29.01.2006, 13:52

Bartacus

29.01.2006, 16:10

what friend would that be?

anyway the answer is no: I would use an obliovion scroll on him, but if he would try to kill me I would probably let him burn!

for me hosh pak is not an old friend (havng played G1), for me he is just an orc that doesnt attack me and then suddenly wants to attack me, i tried going to him after he said that and he wanted to kill me!

-> No, he didn't wanted to kill you, he said specificly: "The next time we meet, .."
This is a warning rather then an attack and after this warning, you weren't able to reason with him. -> You could neither say "okay, stupid orc, let's settle this.", but also neither "But Ur-shak, I killed him on selfdefence. otherwise your mentor would still be alive."
Therefore I don't think that you had to kill him in Gothic 2 (although I did everytime) and that there is a chance that you'll see him again in Gothic 3.

Btw, after 1 year I finally reach the 100 post total. ah well, at least I can say I was here at the start of the English forum.

Colonelu

29.01.2006, 18:25

I also wanted ur-shak as my friend §gnah

Now come on he's an orc :mad: all orcs need to be killed so....kill him :G

_DieGo_

29.01.2006, 21:46

for me hosh pak is not an old friend (havng played G1)
Does "havng played G1" mean "didn't play G1" ??? If it is so then this explains a lot :)... in G1 he has a much more important role, he helps u a lot and a friendship is settled between you too, so that's why I (and i think more others) don't kill him. :) ;) :)

Now come on he's an orc :mad: all orcs need to be killed so....kill him :G
MURDERER!!! :mad: ON HIM GUYS!!! :mad:

:D :p ;) :)

thegame_

29.01.2006, 21:57

Now come on he's an orc :mad: all orcs need to be killed so....kill him :G
MURDERER!!! :mad: ON HIM GUYS!!! :mad:

:D :p ;) :)i'm with him i don't see a friend in ur-shak i only see xp §burn :p

_DieGo_

29.01.2006, 22:04

i'm with him i don't see a friend in ur-shak i only see xp §burn :p
Then we are divided in 2 camps, right? For Old Orc Friend and I Want XP Wtf! :D Who's for Ur-Shak? :D (and pls don't make it a spam thread with posts like "I am for him" and "I hate him" :D ok? :))

Rashnu

29.01.2006, 22:36

Now come on he's an orc :mad: all orcs need to be killed so....kill him :G

Hopefully, you restrain that thinking to the world of computer games. ;)

i'm with him i don't see a friend in ur-shak i only see xp

That's a very poor view of the characters in the game.

Yesterday, I started another game of G1. This time, I try to be as true to myself as possible. I will not venture out and look into places where my character has no knowledge of (e.g. pinching a precious weapon from a hidden place he doesn't know exists), I will not kill humans unless they try to kill me first, I will not steal and I will not join a corrupt and complacent faction. To make it even more difficult, I will refrain from transforming myself into an animal (with the exception at the monastery ruins) or learn the art of wielding a two-handed weapon. I will concentrate on the bow and magic (once I made it to water magician) and the intermediate level of one-hand sword-wielding just for self defence (e.g. against Grim, Herek, Kirgan [arena] etc), because bows kill and I don't want to kill humans unless it becomes unavoidable (chapter 4 and beyond).

This may sound like lunacy to some of you but it adds some spice to an already familiar game. :D

thegame_

29.01.2006, 22:44

That's a very poor view of the characters in the game. *loool* - i was just kidding (see the smile ;) )

Yesterday, I started another game of G1. This time, I try to be as true to myself as possible. I will not venture out and look into places where my character has no knowledge of (e.g. pinching a precious weapon from a hidden place he doesn't know exists), I will not kill humans unless they try to kill me first, I will not steal and I will not join a corrupt and complacent faction. To make it even more difficult, I will refrain from transforming myself into an animal (with the exception at the monastery ruins) or learn the art of wielding a two-handed weapon. I will concentrate on the bow and magic (once I made it to water magician) and the intermediate level of one-hand sword-wielding just for self defence (e.g. against Grim, Herek, Kirgan [arena] etc), because bows kill and I don't want to kill humans unless it becomes unavoidable (chapter 4 and beyond).

This may sound like lunacy to some of you but it adds some spice to an already familiar game. :D doesn't sound like lunacy in fact it's pretty interesting to play it as real as you can...

OveR-

30.01.2006, 00:32

Does "havng played G1" mean "didn't play G1" ??? If it is so then this explains a lot :)... in G1 he has a much more important role, he helps u a lot and a friendship is settled between you too, so that's why I (and i think more others) don't kill him. :) ;) :)

havnT (g is near T)

-> No, he didn't wanted to kill you, he said specificly: "The next time we meet, .."
This is a warning rather then an attack and after this warning, you weren't able to reason with him. -> You could neither say "okay, stupid orc, let's settle this.", but also neither "But Ur-shak, I killed him on selfdefence. otherwise your mentor would still be alive."
Therefore I don't think that you had to kill him in Gothic 2 (although I did everytime) and that there is a chance that you'll see him again in Gothic 3.

well if you do click him after your chit-chat, he does indeed attack you! if killing hosh pak was self defense then this is also.. anyway someone who threatens me doesnt deserve to live :mad: who does he think he is? just cause i kill one of his "i-wanna-kiss-his-ass-friends" he goes berserker on me and shit? if I would count all men that the orcs have killed then I dont know what I should do to him :igitt: