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A post by rockfest in another thread has prompted me to make a new thread (most reluctantly) of very contraversial issue to some players . .. but time is running out for the original gothic game and it must be mentioned rather than be kept secret.
(Re: "Yeahh..right....everything is possible you know....let's ask PB about his...maybe they'll cast a light on this subject......)
PB have already answered this to some degree - the answer to many forum questions about the "motivation" of the gods (not really "war" of the gods) do not get answered correctly because they are not recognised, no-one has ever found the answer because it is hidden deep (but can be found!) in the original international game of gothic.
This caused a somewhat irate reaction or disappointment to the gamewriters, they appeared concerned that no-body found the truth about the "holy foe" - - so now it will be a great priority in G3 as "the core topic" to emphasize or go-over once more, the whole issue that was missed. This could mean that some players may replay the original gothic game again to find the answer but i doubt it, as the brilliant gothic game has fastly faded to superceding gothic titles.
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Here is a extract from Kairo's (PB) answers about G3.
Published April 29, 2004.
World of Gothic: After the release of Gothic II, some people critizied the main story of the game, which followed the often used principle of a chosen one who stands between good and evil gods. This was not so emphasized in Gothic I, where a chosen one was merely mentioned, but that aspect was in the background. In Gothic II, you are confronted with this fact from the very beginning on, as only Innos' Chosen One can wear the amulet and it was clear, that this choosen one is the player. Two questions: Will Gothic III further develop this principle or can we expect unexpected twists and turns in the plot? If no, will there be clarificaton about the motivation of the 'bad' side? For example, we didn't get, why the dragons wanted to destroy anything.
KaiRo: "Clarification about the motivation of the gods" - well said - is the core topic of Gothic III. What is the war of the gods about? What's the whole shit about anyway? Of course, mundane things are in the foreground, as the orc invasion. There will be twists in the plot. By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...
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...........and so it transpired that playing the game of gothic in a particular way, can make Xardas reveal more extra hidden dialogue that contained the answers that we seek and are vague to us all, and that no player has yet found . . . . . . except for one person. ? ? ?
WernerTWC
11.10.2005, 19:48
...........and so it transpired that playing the game of gothic in a particular way, can make Xardas reveal more extra hidden dialogue that contained the answers that we seek and are vague to us all, and that no player has yet found . . . . . . except for one person. ? ? ?
Sorry, maybe iīm too tired, but what do you want to tell us?
If i understand you the right way, the question is:
"Is there a special way to play G1 that forces Xardas to come along with new dialogues?"
If this is the question, i can tell you: No! There are no hidden Xardas-dialogues.
eXecutioner
11.10.2005, 19:51
Well I think I had listened all of Xardas's available dialogues and none tell about the things you tell Bowman [did you know Bowman is a caracter in Septera Core :p]. Please enlighten us and tell us about what should we pay attention.
@WernerTWC, sorry if you were tired and i wakened you.
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Re quote: "If i understand you the right way, the question is:
"Is there a special way to play G1 that forces Xardas to come along with new dialogues?"
If this is the question, i can tell you: No! There are no hidden Xardas-dialogues.
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No it wasn't a question, it was a statement - "there is extra dialogue with Xardas" the game must have the patch with "der fremde" (the stranger) to enable this hidden dialogue and extra quest but i'm not sure how it is enabled, that is the puzzle which is set by "the riddler"
@eXecutioner_id
It would take some time to compose all the info's, but i could make a cut-down version if you wish to read it ? - - after playing and searching for 4 years, i will soon put the game away for good, but for a short while i will try to help any player who wishes for more info' before the quest is lost from keen gothic fanatics forever.
rockfest
11.10.2005, 23:09
By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...
I think that you are right about this...but you're wrong about when these dialogues do happen. It may be that Xardas never had the intetion of telling us the all shit...you have to think that he is the one who tells the story...so he already knows what will happen. *I discused on another thread (the topic was something about killing xardas) that it's impossible to kill xardas because he his the story teller...but i think that it's possible that he tells the story while he his dying(alot of movies and other games uses this technique), something like...the last year/years passes through his eyes. * Remember that xardas always kept secrets from the hero(in g1 and g2)....I think that the story will be revealed to us by him...*at the ending movie or something(this is a guess)*. It's my opinion and i think it's a pretty good one.
That's right rockfest, Xardas cannot be killed and that isn't what i meant. Xardas has extra hidden dialogue which has to be "enticed" or "coaxed" from him. If it can be enabled by playing gothic in a special way, then Xardas would tell of the extra info' which he is holding back, he knows more. The game trigger from that point onward would enable the "true" chromanin quest, instead of finding the corpse after reading the last book you would find no corpse, instead further into the fog-tower passages you would find the old man chromanin, it was he who wrote all the six books. He would give an extra quest involving demons and the ability to transform into demons.Also from that point many strange visions would appear in the game "Chromanins visions have opened my eyes" (book 2).
To understand the special way of playing, the player must be non-agressive, of holy intent, thoughtful in dialogue choice, un-selfish and similar virtues, pc-hero (you) are the "holy foe" and you must motivate the gods by showing some holyness - it is this which isn't realised by gothic players, hard to achieve but possible, . . how do i know this? . . . there is much more to tell.
If any player has found a no-corpse situation after reading the last book, please contact me as soon as possible for instructions of what then to do. This is vital for the whole gothic community.
This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists? Maybe it's only in German version? Like the thing with Fisk, was only in German version (that he ordered you to get himself a new fence, after killing Mordrag.)
Godcrusher
12.10.2005, 13:49
This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists? Maybe it's only in German version? Like the thing with Fisk, was only in German version (that he ordered you to get himself a new fence, after killing Mordrag.)
yeah i tryed that thing for so many times but nothing happend. So this is also in German only? And why are german and english version so different?
http://forum.jowood.com/archive/index.php/t-26239.html
Look these posts. omg.. i can't believe this.. if it's really true then..
Link to a group, called "Chromanin Seekers"
http://www.rpgdot.com/phpBB2/groupcp.php?g=13420&
I just installed G1. I will join Sects because they look like true believers. Or Fire Mages???
wolverine_men said in RPGdot. >>MIGHT BE SPOILER<<
After collecting all the books I went back to the tower. I looked around in there for nearly four hours and finally managed to locate the entrance to a small tunnel. The tunnel opened up in a large hall where an old man stood reading from one of those large tomes. He was the man who had written all the books. He had an interesting story to tell which involved embarking up[on a side quest. If you manage to solve the quest, you will receive a major bonus in skill points and a couple of cool runes and scrolls. Including one that can turn you into a demon lord.
WernerTWC
12.10.2005, 16:46
This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists?
No, i donīt think that this is true.
Imo this is only a bad-kids-joke (not made by Bowman). I mean, think of the Modders, when you mod G1, then you would see that there is no extra tunnel, no extra xardas-speech-files,... nothing that makes me believe this.
Guys trying for years to do this?... and not ONE screen or something like that,... that cannot be.
Or are out there any, maybe only ONE little evidence???
Edit: Maybe just one person get something upside down, cause there is a Mod in work that is called "Chromanin-The Legends of Moria".
http://gmod.igaraz.de/
I watched that thread in RPGdot. Now I don't believe it too. At first it was said to be in any version of Gothic. When fans tried everything, then suddenly it is only accessable only with German version of Gothic and with some 1.08h patch. Why they want everyone to believe this? Stupid thing.
rockfest
12.10.2005, 18:17
I can't believe this...it's virtualy impossible...I know what a script means(I have some knowledge of programming) and to be able to check if the hero has done something like no crime, or cheated or...etc needs a script that can't be hidden. If I were to get all the scripts from the game(i don't have that program to do it) i would study every line and a script like that can't be hidden. We aren't talking of "if the hero done that then he will be granted to speak with the old man" we are talking about a script wich tells the reader exactly what the game does and checks....Sorry Bowman...how long ago did PB released the game? How many programers have studied the scripts and every bit of information about gothic? Cut us some slack, i for one don't believe in green horses on the wall...and i don't think anybody on this forum does to...ask any programer about what have i said. And if you know those " chromanian seekers" tell them to hire a programer to study the game...it would take a day or two...not 4-5 years of trying combination of how the player should behave himself...and another thing...the guy is in a freakin penal colony(how good can he behave?). :p
You guys are giving good feedback info' - thanks
@-Jaden-,
The thing with Fisk ~is~ in the 1.08j international version.
The stranger quest was added to and released with this version.
Any version of gothic with the stranger patch can achieve this quest.
The quest was not in the original german version.
Wulverine_men may well be a disguised PB dev'
"Chromanin-The Legends of Moria" is a mod and has nothing
to do with this quest.
I agree that the difference between english and german versions
may be important to this quest.
@rockfest,
so-called experts have tried with the scripts and failed.
There is no evidence available of any kind.
It is a very deep in-game riddle, it is said that it can be solved
using reason and logic.
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1. You must join the old camp only.
2. You must do no quests whatsoever for the baals in sect camp
or merc's or rogues in new camp, this ensures pc-hero's alegiance
to Adannos and must not deviate, he is being watched.
3. You must not use any violence for the majority of quests.
4. You must not complete old camp quests for characters who
you think their motives are "questionable"
5. The way you hunt is very crucial to this quest, this is open to
interpretation, possibly connected to the re-spawn factor - but not sure?
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I have only raised this topic on 'WorldofPlayers' because there are some
good guys here who are friendly and helpful.
How could the dev's be contacted? - would they give out info'?
I think they should because the game is getting old now and well
passed it's peak without the true quest being solved.
They have nothing to loose by telling us, and G3 will be here soon.
I'm still not sure §gnah
If there was just A SINGLE SCREENSHOT, to prove this. There are no evidences.. I'd like to believe, but.. I even started a new game and plan to join the Fire Mages, since they seem to be an excellent choice for that quest.. The way they live etc..
MORE EVIDENCE!!..
and one more question.. does this 1.08j patch add "The Stranger" quest OR it adds things to that quest? (..like the one we are talking about)
I have 1.08k version and The Stranger quest exists..
Sowilo, is kind of all-knowing guy.. you know anything about this??
WernerTWC
12.10.2005, 22:02
Sowilo, is kind of all-knowing guy.. you know anything about this??
Just a little hint, write him a PM. Quote your question.
For me, itīs interesting topic, too,.. but i think,... no way!. Just impossible!
Edit:
For me it sounds like the Naked-Tomb-Rider-Cheat on the PS1, it was you must enter menu, hit triangle, triangle, square, square, star ,triangle. ;)
Yes -Jaden-,
your 1.08k will be o.k for the quest. You have my word the quest is true, yet that means nothing, it is very hard to believe without evidence.
rockfest
12.10.2005, 23:00
You are really unbeliavable...I' m sorry, I have nothing with you, you seem like a good guy and this would be a reason not to post in this thread anymore but your last post really determined me to do this again...
Ok. Let's say that you're right and there is a special room or something where you can meet. Let's say that you're right about the scripts. An example of the possible script could sound like this(i'll tell it in the english way so everyone can understand)
- you have quests that determine if you can meet the old man, even "the way you hunt"(gees, i can't believe i agree with this).
- the simplest way to do it would be to some *testers(don't know how to say them in english, anyway they're just variables wich in any case can be seen, there's no way you can "hide" them) that would establish at the end of the chromanian if he is worthy.
- at that moment, if all the *testers are true then he could see the old man.
The only thing at this story is that someone would see the *testers and the condition. And don't tell me about "the so called specialist". There are a lot of good guys at what they're doing out there and made some pretty good mods for us.
That been said...let's say that the testers and the condition was carefully "hidden". The "only" problems remain :
- where in the name of beliar is that npc putted(in recycle bin and when he is needed the game engine extracts him?)
- where are the dialogues that you have with him, where is the journal entry...These can't all be hidden. Now this is quite impossible.
Thus beeing said...this is my last post in this thread(you go and search for you're green horses and hope than in one day the guys at PB will say : you really believed that?). I have better things to do with my time than searching for a quest that PB would have said something about it by now. Don't get my wrong, i like the ideea and if somehow this will turn out to be true :rolleyes: , my deepest apologies.
PS : About that thread on jowood forum...do you really think that someone couldn't just invent it just to create "panic" in the gothic world and then others smartasses told the story and so on and son...
WernerTWC
12.10.2005, 23:55
Yes -Jaden-,
your 1.08k will be o.k for the quest. You have my word the quest is true, yet that means nothing, it is very hard to believe without evidence.
Why do you belief such things?
Have you thought about the possibility that what you heard was only kiddinī shit???
Sorry,bowman, as it was said above, you seem like "a good guy", for me also, but i think you belived the wrong person in this case.
And donīt take this personal, but without any evidance, i donīt belief that!
I heard this story this year in feb, on Jowood. What are you trying to do is impossible. PB aren't gods to make such a complex game, with a ridle that sounds impossible, and only ONE who believes can solve it. :D this sounds like matrix.
--By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...--
Have you ever taught that Kai, reffered at the story of G3, when he said that Xardas holds infos for himself.... he is saying this while he is talking about G3 story, and it has no conection with G1, and it isn't meant to be a ridle...
Don't take it personally Bowman, for me you are a great guy, I admire your spirit of investigation, we talked about Lord of Tyimorisin, about those flaming arrows, about alot of interesting things, and I noticed that you really like to investigate just like me, but If you tried for so long to find out if this thing is true and you did not make it, then its impossible...
"The chronomanin found" thread on rpgdot forums was just loads of bullshit, which some people took it like it was real. It was fun to observe for a while, but as i said when some just couldn't belive that the stranger just wasn't there.No matter the amount of evidence, which talked against their belives.Some former developer even confirmed that this true chronomanin was a hoax.Still even then some of the forum members couldn't take the man's word because he was an ex-dev.I belive it is still going on.Those stubborn moles even formed a forum group called chronomanin seekers and have a private forum.The whole thing is quite absurb and sad imo... :rolleyes:
one can go crazy from such a thing....
Godcrusher
13.10.2005, 20:40
The whole thing makes me laugh. I mean how naive can people be :D
This is nothing more than speculation!(Or so I think)
dough if you think more, a thing like this could bounce gothic very high on the quality games scale...;)
I mean just think of it....you play a game in a special way and at one point you find the trigger that reveals some dialogues wich if puted head to head, or decrypted could have an deep message...a prophecy....hahahahaha §xlol It would have been kewl and spooky at the same time.... ;)
WernerTWC
14.10.2005, 22:58
... and then a window pops up and says: "Please insert the original Gotic-Unknown-Cd-42 into drive e:" ;)
Edit:
Jees....you're still posting in this thread....i didn't hink that it would last so long...
You are right, iīm sorry for spamming! :)
rockfest
14.10.2005, 23:31
Jees....you're still posting in this thread....i didn't hink that it would last so long...
Archibal
17.10.2005, 13:43
k
I've restarted the game, entered the oldcamp (without making Dexter's and Scaty's jobs).I haven't spoken with any of the guys from the New and Sect camp.Played and played.In c 3 I've become a mage.Played till c4 then went in the The Tower, I've finished the quest but nothing new! §burn :mad: §burn
I haven't used the Marvin Mod
Think I'll play Gothic german version (I know some german) :D
WernerTWC
17.10.2005, 13:55
k
I've restarted the game, entered the oldcamp (without making Dexter's and Scaty's jobs).I haven't spoken with any of the guys from the New and Sect camp.Played and played.In c 3 I've become a mage.Played till c4 then went in the The Tower, I've finished the quest but nothing new! §burn :mad: §burn
I haven't used the Marvin Mod
Think I'll play Gothic german version (I know some german) :D
You should had read the whole thread.
You can try it till the end of days without something new by finishing this quest.
@Archibal,
A wise choice, no agression with Scatty quest, no stealing in the Dexter quest, you can speak to npc's in the sect and new camps just don't do the qualifying quests, let them build up in your quest log as current quests.
If you became a mage and you are banned from old camp, although your guild would be *none* (in your stats) you would still be a magical user and the firemages oath with Innos would still stand. Did you not take the oath of the watermages as well? - this would "extend" your allegience to Adanos as well as Innos and thus appease both gods? >--> would this be "duality"? - this would let Saturas tell you "your sign is the unification of the elements" (instead of Xardas) >-->
In the beginning was the power, pure and white,
Now only echoes of the vow sound through the night,
They tell of days of unity, long since past,
'Tis having and taking for which we now thirst.
All unity was torn apart and burst.
Cursed the spirit which did not last.
Of desire doth now tell our song.
For unity is forever gone.
You would be part way there, do you have the saved games?
There are more questions than answers.
Archibal
17.10.2005, 20:35
I've also taken the oath of water and still nothig!Think it workes only for the german version.I'll get it in 2-3 days and than I could say a final conclusion.
But here's something interesting.Activate MARVIN mod and then press G you'll see player's attitude (or something like that).At all my save games player at = neutral.
Hope will not die
:D
@Archibal, i'm glad to see you are a free thinker and not negative to try the unknown. I will stand by with help as long as i can but i don't know all the answers.
Neutral means "none" (banned) in the stats.
International versions 1.08j and 1.08k will work this quest, they are pre-patched and they are your best bet for enabling the quest. The original german game does not have the quest, we are told that the seperate 1.08h patch has "the stranger" quest contained in it and in theory should enable the quest if downloaded and added, there again, not sure that the german version lacked any "pre-required" data.
The hardest part of all the true quest is trying to understand wulverine_mens hint "happy hunting" while being a clue could mean many things, iv'e tried them all but no luck. We all know that the only hunters are Ratford and Drax, Cavalorn and Aidan. Sneaking is unkown requirement, yet it is a hunting skill from Cavalorn, while Wolf in the new camp says "your dexterity determines the success of the hunt" this could mean building up a high dexterity early in the game, all unknown and unsure, how would a holy foe hunt? - There is much to tell but time is running out.
The hardest part of all the true quest is trying to understand wulverine_mens hint "happy hunting" while being a clue could mean many things, iv'e tried them all but no luck. We all know that the only hunters are Ratford and Drax, Cavalorn and Aidan. Sneaking is unkown requirement, yet it is a hunting skill from Cavalorn, while Wolf in the new camp says "your dexterity determines the success of the hunt" this could mean building up a high dexterity early in the game, all unknown and unsure, how would a holy foe hunt? - There is much to tell but time is running out.
Maybe those guys, near the Troll Canyon are involved?
In RPGdot forums, they also spoke something about the balance of str and dex.
- - - - Let me explain more of this unbelievable quest - - - -
I have already done this quest, i triggered it unknowingly four years ago when i first played the game, i found "no-corpse" - i dialogued with the old man, i got his quest, went to the old monastery, found the hidden door, got to the platform on the high level, saw the great stone ornamental portal door, solved the puzzle opened the special chest, found the potions and transport to demon lord scroll, was attacked by demons and almost died, ran round in circles to escape them, drank a potion, re-healed, killed the demons, etc' etc'.
From then onward in the game several things changed, some the dead ends in the fog tower tunnels, became accessible (where the skeletons stand guard) and other strange sights were revealed, this must be the bit refered to as "chromanins vision have opened my eyes" - sadly i did not realise that this was some very special quest , i only got half way through and put the game away. Now i am putting the game away for good, it has been a mind boggling experience involving the best original game ever.
I often wonder, why has not one other gothic player ever found this situation? - why does only myself have to live with this curse? - why can i not for the life of me enable the quest again?
It is a sad thing that the quest is labelled as not-true, when it is true, it is of great gothic importance.
*If any player of gothic in any part of the world, in any forum that can speak english, ever finds the situation where:- - after reading the last chromanin book and returning to the central cave below the fog-tower, finds that there is a no-corpse situation, then they will be "almost there" with the quest, at that point contact me by pm if you wish, because i will only too pleased to take you step-by-step with graphical illustrations if neccessary, of exactly what to do to activate the quest*
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But i shall not walk this path alone.This honour is mine.
I must accept to share the power within myself with the
worthy ones who are to come and find me.
I hope they're coming soon.
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I have played gothic every other day for four years but now it is time to move on to other things.
Thank you all for your time, replies and patience . . . Bowman . . . . . . . Better known as Wulf, founder, creator and moderator of "The Chromanin seekers" at Rpgdot.
>>>the only known gothic player ever to have enabled the true chromanin quest<<<
With all this I finally accept that,due to what Bowman said,that it must be true.
why aren't you contacting PB, to ask them if it is true ? and I cannot believe that the only one that triggered the quest is you...and it must be a patch that adds this quest, because I'm not going to play the game in a special way just to do this in vain, because my gothic version does not have that patch...so If I know for sure that I have the version of gothic on wich this quest MAY be solved then I will play and try to trigger it, but until then, I am not playing, my version of Gothic :
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title: Gothic the game
version: 1.08
authors: Piranha Bytes Software GmbH, Germany
webpage: http://www.piranha-bytes.com
This is the original game Gothic.
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this is my version of Gothic, it is writen in the Gothic Starter...
WernerTWC
19.10.2005, 14:44
why aren't you contacting PB, to ask them if it is true ?
I think, because they knew already the answer,... laughing PBīs!
Well, to bring this to an end, i have contacted the Modder of "Chromanin - The Legends of Moria".
"Schattenlord" - Lead 3d-Artist and Animateur of the team, "Stoffwanze" - Quest- and Dialogwriter and "König Rhobar II" - Founder, Lead-Scripter, Storywriter, Mapper and Spacer all have DEFENETLY confirmed, that
there are NO scripts and even NO speech-files about that!!!
So, there are some posibilities:
- Bowman has dreamed this,
- He dreamed this under the influence of drugs
- it should be a funny joke: http://people.freenet.de/WernerTWC/s/schilder/imsmilin.gif
- he is a liar.
Here is the german thread in the Chromanin-Mod-Forum for evidence! (http://docbrown.do.funpic.de/viewtopic.php?t=103)
Thank you Werner, i do appreciate your help in trying to clarify the situation, you seem to have some knowledgable devotees here currently at WoG, and at least some help is better than none. I have been on this for a long time and the results are always the same - - nothing, zero, liar, hoax, etc' - but your help does not define where the require data/info lies.
Did those members have the international version of the game? - i ask this because wulverine_men only posted on english rpgdot and not on german WoG - - why?, although he is german i think and most definately a dev/man of "high gothic connections". It is indeed strange how this "difference" between german and english versions crops-up repeatedly.
In about november 2001 i bought the english game 1.08j and played it through the christmas period and into february 2002, then playing one day, approx' half-way through the game, while running along the cliffs overlooking the sea, i saw the steps and a cave which had never been there previously up until then. I was amazed at how it could have "appeared" but i thought nothing of it, it's only a game after all. I did the quest but left that first game unfinished.
I had no modem, no internet connection, just a pentium 650 pc. i had no patches, the game was straight "out-of-the-box"
Some time later when i played a new game again to the end, i could not understand why i couldn't find the old man again, i tried many times - always the same. I still remember the graphical details implicitly! - no dreams, no drugs, no hangovers.
In the end i gave up searching, then i got a modem and began surfing, i found rpgdot as well as worldofgothic (which was in german only) there was not one shred of info about the old man or a quest.
Then one day wulverine_men posted at rpgdot, you can imagine my immediate concern, the rest you can see for yourself and is now history.
Nico Bendlin is a superb developer code and data man, he most capable of contructing this situation. I did send a pm but he declined to answer - yet i know he knows but cannot tell "code of honour" and all that.
Sadly i have decided to quit, but from my heart i will help any 1.08j or 1.08k game player who may reveal some answers or come up with something new on this beautifully hidden work of art.
@rekinu,
If you can get all six books and upon reading them an entry is written in the journal then you must have the quest. If i am right any game without "the stranger" will not have the books?
WernerTWC
19.10.2005, 19:49
Nico Bendlin is a superb developer code and data man, he most capable of contructing this situation. I did send a pm but he declined to answer - yet i know he knows but cannot tell "code of honour" and all that.
Thatīs clever, indeed, man,... well prepared for every situation, eh?
... even if i contact some more pll, maybe PBs.
... so, if i write to Nico or KaiRo, and they would explain me, that this is only fake-shit,... then you would say, they werenīt able to tell me, because they want to keep this "great"-secret, they cannot or want tell "code of honour" ?!?
... and if they would post in here that it is not true, then you would say it was a secret worker involved in the international constributing that added this extra-quest, so that even PBīs themselfs didnīt know about this???
Sorry, man, i donīt belive you anymore!
Post a savegame with this (yeah, i know you have none)(you can be sure iīll check it for worms and viruses first, all firewalls on!) and then iīll write a big-sorry letter to you!!!
rockfest
19.10.2005, 21:56
1.08j
Now there's where any ideea of thinkin that you mught tell the truth has gone. I was thinking that it may be some patch or something, another version because you are trying too hard to convince us...anyway, let me tell you something, i have the same version as you and let me tell you what I've done last night.
For one hour i searched with the spacer that entire tower and found nothing but waypoints belonging to skeletons,some speakers, and the rest you know...But there was no old man, no room, I've searched with my own eyes every wall, every corner and there was nothing behind them, no vobs that could look like an old man,etc..... drop it....see that nobody believes you and do you know why? No proof...that's your problem. Like werner said, if this would reach PB what would you say then? Are you going to continue your little game? Just stop saying this nonsense....it's enough!
some say, that there are dynamic places there.. which only appear when some trigger is enabled :D and that you can't see them there otherwise.. :p
I wish, it was true.. but unfortunately.. I'm really tired of this s**t.. Maybe sometimes I, or you (bowman) will find it.
Good luck!
@rockfest,
i also have done all that searching stuff for hours a long time ago, and found nothing.
@-Jaden-,
I believe the polygons and pixels are already there but not rendered, that means you can go through them but not see or bump againt them and of course the rendervobs and such is an instant command but i'm no programmer, it's all beyond me. yeah i'm tired also.
@Werner,
A post here by Nico or Kairo is a good idea and would indeed help solve the situation yet i very much doubt one of them would reply about this quest openly - but thanks anyway.
WernerTWC
19.10.2005, 22:25
Are you going to continue your little game? Just stop saying this nonsense....it's enough!
Iīm REALLY looking forward to his next posts, how he explain all this!!! ;) :D
Maybe he thought he can do such game with us, but buddy, noway, this is WoG, not lame-shit! :D :cool:
Edit:
§xlol §xlol §xlol ... this thing is through for me, also you, bowman!
rockfest
19.10.2005, 22:26
Ok...what can i tell you more? you seem pretty determined to believe this. have it your way. i won't say anything more about this. good luck and good night.
@werner : just leave him to do his business. If there is another guy who believes this story...it's fine by me. I don't give a sht. Like I've said before I have better things to do with my time...
WernerTWC
19.10.2005, 22:33
@werner : just leave him to do his business. If there is another guy who believes this story...it's fine by me. I don't give a sht. Like I've said before I have better things to do with my time...
Such a good forum shouldnīt be harmed by such *holdingbackthewords* ;)
rockfest
19.10.2005, 22:42
Such a good forum shouldnīt be harmed by such *holdingbackthewords* ;)
What can you do? U saw how determined the man is...I don't even even want to "waste" my posts about this subject. Maybe he will see that nobody believes him and he will stop... :rolleyes:
@Bowman
Could you please draw us a picture, that is closest to that hall you saw.
Please do it with Paint-program and draw it with above-view. With pillars, with entrance to that hall, show us where did this old man stand and also, where you were.
And also, write a few lines of that dialog. (everything you remember)
I'm serious.
This is just so incredibly stupid. :rolleyes: Gotta admire bowman/wolf for the the attitude though.
k
I've restarted the game, entered the oldcamp (without making Dexter's and Scaty's jobs). :D
How??? To be accepted in the old camp you need 6 "big shots" to speak in your favour!
1. Diego; 2. Thorus; 3. Fingers; 4. Scatty; 5. Sly; 6. Dexter; 7. Whistler
Only 5 of them ARE NOT SUFFICIENT to be addmited!!!!!!!
Edit:
k
In c 3 I've become a mage.Played till c4 then went in the The Tower, I've finished the quest but nothing new! §burn :mad: §burn
I haven't used the Marvin Mod
Think I'll play Gothic german version (I know some german) :D
Last time I finish "The Stranger" having Level 12, in Chapter 2, before taking Queen's eggs to Cor Calom, as a Fire Mage (former Hunter), in Circle 3 (fireball required).
And I found THE CORPSE, a BLANK book (Cromanin 6) and a Terible-Scary-Freaky Voice !!!!!!
THE END
How??? To be accepted in the old camp you need 5 "big shots" to speak in your favour!
1. Diego; 2. Thorus; 3. Fingers; 4. Scatty; 5. Sly; 6. Dexter
Only 4 of them ARE NOT SUFFICIENT to be addmited!!!!!!!
Edit:
Last time I finish "The Stranger" having Level 12, in Chapter 2, before taking Queen's eggs to Cor Calom, as a Fire Mage (former Hunter), in Circle 3 (fireball required).
And I found THE CORPSE, a BLANK book (Cromanin 6) and a Terible-Scary-Fricky Voice !!!!!!
THE END
this thread was 2 and a half years old man :eek:. lol
dark-cz-klaw
22.02.2008, 23:12
Was there really a point to reviving this thread?
Was there really a point to reviving this thread?
I'm just curious! Accepted as a Shadow, without Dexter' quest and Scatty' quest? How?
GothicFighter
23.02.2008, 08:47
If I'm right, you have to do at least 6 quest to pass the test...
I'm just curious! Accepted as a Shadow, without Dexter' quest and Scatty' quest? How?
impossible i think.. And no there really wasn't a point in reviving this thread ;)
I hate to hand over that NEK's amulet...
Its invaluable at lower levels.
@Bowman
Could you please draw us a picture, that is closest to that hall you saw.
Please do it with Paint-program and draw it with above-view. With pillars, with entrance to that hall, show us where did this old man stand and also, where you were.
And also, write a few lines of that dialog. (everything you remember)
I'm serious.
so, bowman, wheres that big mouth of yours now??? :p where is the evidence? tell us what u saw and heard...make a mother f*****g photo, screen shot, whatever and be our hero;) till then this whole thing sounds really stupid=)))
runicNomad
24.02.2008, 19:28
I tell ya a conspiracy theory in a game hidden in riddles this was an interesting thread. It should have also gave anyone who MODs ideas about elusive and rare content for Gothic.
Not sure where I stand believe or not believe....
impossible i think.. And no there really wasn't a point in reviving this thread ;)
not impossible. I did that, or rather, only without scatty's aproval:)
Bowman,
I enjoy your enthusiasm for this game very much, you are one who is trying to make as much as you can of this game as possible.....and that is good :)
I nearly found myself in tears putting this game back up on the shelf, it was terrible..... Just as so many of us here have done, I have played this game more times than I can count...every single combination of camps, mods, even small things such as trying to find EVERY single item in the game just to say that I have done it and never have I found anything that leads me to believe in such a quest or hidden area. It would be amazing if it were true. I do not dispute it. (would be great if sombody could mod this into the original game ;)) but what you have to realize is that this is still simply a game. its textures, models, sounds, numbers and letters. nothing more. For a long while this game was a way of life for me, it is TRULEY the BEST game that was EVER MADE...........................................imo of course.
PB was a great company and did amazing things with the story line, it can be hard to let go of such a great game once you know everything there is to know about it.....you are desperate to find something in it that you never knew about before....like the first time you ever played all the way through the game.......ahhh good times :D .
sometimes though you just have to let it go, there are (as rock said) scripts dialogue files or other "hidden" areas, and yes.....it is sad. :(
Its just another one of those things that you have to work around, kinda like the fact that there always seems to be a fight happening "in a few days" at the arena and that everybody crowds around at evening and cheers at nothing, or that people say if you prove your loyalty to lee you might be able to go work for okiel (spelling? :dnuhr: ) in the new mine, or that (funny one) drake at the entrance to the old mine has a white guys face and a black guys arms :p
PB are truley masters of the rpg, your evidance however is heavily lacking =\
Best of luck to you,
Steel
whoa...:eek:
I'm just starting to think that it might just be something like this, maybe in the german version, wich was later cut from the game ( like jump attack in g3). There are books in G1 named chromanin, speaking about this pure path and a man that will reveal himself to the one who is worthy of meeting him, the one wich has reached some kind of perfect pureness :dnuhr:
Deferigon
25.02.2008, 21:49
On what date was the last post by Bowman?
Onisuzume
26.02.2008, 21:22
On what date was the last post by Bowman?
A long time ago: 19.10.2005, 23:23.
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