why orcs are always strong?

[CrashMorraKan]

in gothic orcs very strong in warcraft 3 too, in dark messiah also anyone have answer? o.o

[Lebavc]

Because they're orcs, dude. It's their characteristic. :D

[make264]

yea but i have thinked why orcs so hard to kill in g2 but so damn easy in g3

[Darth Crow]

I think that because in G1,2 you don't have to fight 20 of them at once... Anyway they seem to me to be hard to kill enough...

And about why are they as strong? Well... because they are Orcs :D I've never seen a weak Orc in a fantasy book/game/movie.

[make264]

but if theres somewhere nerd orc :D

[Gor_Na_Drak]

The Orcs are Darwin's wet dream; natural selection played out to it's fullest. They kill off any weak ones in their youth before their weaknesses can infect the tribe. Closest thing to an Orc nerd would be a shaman.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. :D

[DTR]

Please!
Racism of any sort is not appreciated here.

We prefer to call them "green skinned humanoids".

[WernerTWC]

Seems like better suited in the discussion.

---> moved. (from g3 help)

[Argenguy]

The are as strong as they look. Imagine an big guy of 2.2-2.5 meters tall, strong build with big arms, wielding a big, rusty axe and wearing from a hard leather armor to a heavy steel plate armor. I would be shitting my trousers, unless I have a assault rifle with me. :cool:

In Gothic they are twice as strong as humans, but the later are faster, more agile and more intelligent, and dudes like Gorn can equal almost their strength.

[AngelOfGothic]

but if theres somewhere nerd orc :D

Nerd orc means shaman. :p

[CrashMorraKan]

it's not all about strength too, they always with their "respect" and "honor" lol in gothic 3 (go away morra you are thief you have no honor/respect!)
and warcraft (for the horde lol "they are womans they have no honor) or dark messiah "orcs are strong! are always strong! our leader is dead shame to our clan)

[firefly1981]

The orcs in gothic are strong because they're overloaded with testosterone like most of the guys from the new camp, and why? because they don't have any women §knin, celibacy is not a fun thing, to keep themselves from insanity they distract themselves by working their muscle and wage war on humanity, the reason why orc attacks myrtana is because of the harsh winters, just imagine extremely cold winter with no women around. §knin

[Hellbilly]

Then again... how do we know some of the orcs are not women? Dwarf women have beards and low rumbling voices, y'know, so why couldn't orc wimmen be hairy, gruffy and by human standards masculine?

The human notion of what a female looks like is by no means universal. It is a big mistake to assume that just because something doesn't physically resemble a human female, it can't be female.

[firefly1981]

That may be, so have you spotted any orcs female yet §knin
if the orcs female is like this one then it's A-ok §knin, well it's buff like a she-hulk but good.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4628/girlsofgaming6page46.jpg

[Hellbilly]

That's not a Gothic orc in any way. Not all "orcs" are identical across all fantasy universes. It seems my post eluded you almost completely; if it hadn't, you would realize that what I was saying is that the games may be full of orc females.

[CrashMorraKan]

That may be, so have you spotted any orcs female yet §knin
if the orcs female is like this one then it's A-ok §knin, well it's buff like a she-hulk but good.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4628/girlsofgaming6page46.jpg

Hot! lmfao! xD :D

i suck -.-

[Gor_Na_Drak]

Well if you want an example of Orcs who are not some big buff humanoid tanks look no further than the man who started it all....at least from a modern perspective....Tolkien.

With the exception of the Uruk-hai, which I believe was a breeding of a Troll/Orc hybrid, Tolkien's orcs were, for the most part, smaller and weaker than men. They just had great numbers and so were used, for the most part, as battle fodder by Melkor and later on by Sauron.

[Tharr]

Maybe they are Neanderthals...or like in Dark Messiah lore humans infused with demon blood :cool:

[gandalfelgris]

Orcs arent that strong... can get arrow-machine-gunned, blade-slaughtered, cliff-thrown, burned, frozen, holyarrowed, urizieled, waveofdeathed, armyofdarknessed, gorned, miltened, diegoed and mudded :scared:

[Talek]

Agreed with the above statement. Also they still dont get that there is a thing called sidestep in battle :D

[Hampu]

Well if you want an example of Orcs who are not some big buff humanoid tanks look no further than the man who started it all....at least from a modern perspective....Tolkien.

With the exception of the Uruk-hai, which I believe was a breeding of a Troll/Orc hybrid, Tolkien's orcs were, for the most part, smaller and weaker than men. They just had great numbers and so were used, for the most part, as battle fodder by Melkor and later on by Sauron.

Actually Uruk were a mixture of orc and man, whilst uruk hai was a magically fused Elf and orc, or so I remember it. Also, in Tolkiens tales orcs were sneaky and good marksmen, not the brutes that other fantasy settings make them out to be.

[Hellbilly]

^Actually, the Uruk-Hai were (or so Treebeard speculated) a crossbreed of orc and man, whereas originally Tolkien suggested that regular orcs were bred from the earth but later changed it to that they were corrupted elves transformed by means of torture and mutilation. So exactly the other way around.

[gandalfelgris]

Wikipedia is not that reliable... the English one says uruk-hai were a cross between orc and man, the Spanish one says they were a cross between orc and goblin...

Anyway ive been searching the web and none of this is completely true. Uruk-hai literally means, in the language of Mordor, "race of orcs". Sauron created them first, them being an improved version of orcs, selected amongst the strongest, but they were not a cross with any race. Saruman discovered this secret and built his own uruk-hai 500 years later and sent them to Helm's Deep; Sauron used them in the battles for Osgiliath.

And then there are the half orcs which are a cross between orc and man, and those Saruman used to invade the Shire in the third book of the trilogy

[Hampu]

Sarumans Uruks are called Uruk Hai.
The ones created in Mordor are the Uruks.
They are both breeds between orcs and men, or so the lore would have me belive.

[PC-Hero]

Orcs really aren't that tough if you use parry and backpedaling.. I was murdering orc elites in NoTR when it took 14 hits to kill them.. then I start a new game in G2 non-notr and got my ass kicked by Maleth at the first farm.. what gives? Something different about their combat ai? lol. It seemed like I couldn't parry fast enough (usually spamming backwards while holding left click works fine) to block his rookie swings, but I could block orc elites fine before? So very odd..

Anyway, you just back up away from the orcs, then they will, pretty much 100% of the time, run at you and do the clumsy overhead swing. You can usually pull off 2 hits with a side-to-side slash as a fighter / master 1 hander before they start to parry again. I'm sure everyones figured this out by now but it's pretty ridiculous how effective it can be, even against 3 orcs at a time if timed properly.. you're just invincible backpedaling, unless they flank you.

But if by buff you mean that their protection from weapons and such is way too high in NoTR, this is true. They do also seem to kill you in a couple swings.. maybe there is something to this buff thing lol

[RobinHood 13.]

It's not a question of why orcs are so strong.

You should rather ask: Why are humans so weak?
;)

[Hampu]

Orcs really aren't that tough if you use parry and backpedaling.. I was murdering orc elites in NoTR when it took 14 hits to kill them.. then I start a new game in G2 non-notr and got my ass kicked by Maleth at the first farm.. what gives? Something different about their combat ai? lol. It seemed like I couldn't parry fast enough (usually spamming backwards while holding left click works fine) to block his rookie swings, but I could block orc elites fine before? So very odd..

Anyway, you just back up away from the orcs, then they will, pretty much 100% of the time, run at you and do the clumsy overhead swing. You can usually pull off 2 hits with a side-to-side slash as a fighter / master 1 hander before they start to parry again. I'm sure everyones figured this out by now but it's pretty ridiculous how effective it can be, even against 3 orcs at a time if timed properly.. you're just invincible backpedaling, unless they flank you.

But if by buff you mean that their protection from weapons and such is way too high in NoTR, this is true. They do also seem to kill you in a couple swings.. maybe there is something to this buff thing lol

I don't think the guy who made this thread meant why they are so strong in the game, but why they are so storng in the lore in every fantasy setting.

[Fuel]

Uruk-hai, which I believe was a breeding of a Troll/Orc hybrid Actually, Uruk-hai is a orc/goblin hybrid. Although it doesn't make that much sense, that when you mix weak & weaker, you get strong.

[Maladiq]

Actually, Uruk-hai is a orc/goblin hybrid. Although it doesn't make that much sense, that when you mix weak & weaker, you get strong.

Where did you see goblins in LotR, lol. I read the book 3 times and never recall meeting any goblins.

[Hampu]

Orcs are orcs, goblins is a term for orcs dwelling in caves and the likes, but they are still very much orcs.

[KGS]

Where did you see goblins in LotR, lol. I read the book 3 times and never recall meeting any goblins.

goblins played a large part in The Hobbit which is a prelude to LotR

[Maladiq]

goblins played a large part in The Hobbit which is a prelude to LotR

really? shitty translation to romanian. they translated goblins as gnomes and I thought it reffered to orcs, while in LotR they translated dwarfs to gnomes...

[Dimus]

really? shitty translation to romanian. they translated goblins as gnomes and I thought it reffered to orcs, while in LotR they translated dwarfs to gnomes...

Probably, you insufficiently attentively read 'The Hobbit or There and Back Again '.:p Remember, how in mountains leaded by Torin Oakenshield group of dwarfes were taken prisoner by goblins and as Gandalf has killed the Supreme Goblin. In LotR goblins aren't mentioned because after defeat in fight near Lonely Mountain they have been considerably weakened (3/4 of goblins on the North has been killed) and consequently have for a long time faded into the background. And hordes of orcs in LotR have been created by the wizard Saruman.

[Fuel]

Where did you see goblins in LotR, lol. I read the book 3 times and never recall meeting any goblins.Even in the first movie, when they go to Moria, Legolas takes the arrow from the Dwarf skull and says ''goblins.'' And the orcs they fight in the cave are goblins, i think.

[Gor_Na_Drak]

In the world of Tolkien:

Goblins = A different name for orcs. Term mainly used for orcs in The Hobbit. Probably lesser orcs.

Snaga = A different name for orcs. Mainly used by greater orcs (Uruks) referring to the lesser orcs of Mordor.

Uruks and Uruk Hai = Just different names for the same kind of greater orc, which are a tougher and stronger breed from the original, but are not a breed made from orc and men. Uruks are from Mordor, while Uruk Hai are the orcs that Saruman bred. Started to appear in Mordor about 500 years before the War of the Ring.

Half-orc = A breed of orc and man bred by Saruman. A separate breed from the Uruk Hai.

[KGS]

^^goblins are different from orcs in Tolkien's literature they are nothing like lesser orcs

[Hampu]

Uhm, actually they aren't, goblins are just orcs, but another name for them, just like Gor-Na-Drak said.

[Fuel]

Goblins are the Orcs that live in the deep caves and mines, under the earth, and therefore their body structure is a bit different. This is what i think, at least. Besides, the goblins they fight in Moria look totally different than Mordor orcs. And i think that Saruman says in the movie smth like the uruks are bred of orcs, and goblin-men. S'wat i think, can be, of course, that i don't remember it correctly or smth.

[KGS]

well i could be mistaken but the goblins from the hobbit 'looked' really different

[Hampu]

From Two towers, after the rohirrim attack on the orc group that took Merry and Pippin: "Upon a stake in the middle was set a great goblin head; upon its shattered helm the white badge could still be seen"

This was used to describe a Uruk Hai head, goblin is just a term for orc, both can mean the same but they are used to differantiate orc breeds.

This was found in some hobbit editions, written by Tolkien, "Orc is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated goblin (or hobgoblin for the larger kinds). Orc is the hobbits' form of the name given at that time to these creatures, and it is not connected at all with orc, ork, applied to sea-animals of dolphin-kind"

The Orcs are the antagonists in The Hobbit, though in that book they are called Goblins.

[CrashMorraKan]

Orcs arent that strong... can get arrow-machine-gunned, blade-slaughtered, cliff-thrown, burned, frozen, holyarrowed, urizieled, waveofdeathed, armyofdarknessed, gorned, miltened, diegoed and mudded :scared:

LOL!:D


I don't think the guy who made this thread meant why they are so strong in the game, but why they are so storng in the lore in every fantasy setting.

Exactly. i meant overall of their culture.

[Zeri0n]

for the same reason as why the inhabitants of pandora in avatar are so strong too...

[Maladiq]

James Cameron?

[KGS]

It is proven that blue creatures are stronger than not blue ones

[Maladiq]

It is proven that blue creatures are stronger than not blue ones

And more impossible to read it seems:p But orcs are not blue....

[Ingenieur]

Orcs are so strong because they are a means of story telling. As you might know, men (males and females) are very proud and slightly arrogant against other creatures. (But we're developing, see the green movement)

Tolkien and any other story writers were/are men, too. What victory might be the most glorious?
A) against a feeble creature, outnumbered
B) against a strong creature, outnumbered, too

And if like in The Swarm a feeble creature begins war against humanity, this is a scary story, because todays obviously in the real world there are no orcs. But there still might be invisible creatures (microbes) that can be a true thread.
This coming into our minds frightens us, nowadays.

So, some time ago it was a strong army of orcs, that frightened people; so that is why orcs are so strong.
Mostly, they are also very ugly, because the bad are always ugly, like in most fairy tales. You can read about this in psychological books, as these are known effects.

Regards,

€nginear

[pedrosss]

as far as i know, orcs in Gothic 3 were easy to fight off, pitty)

[Hampu]

Uhm? Strong brutes? I get that they got the name from there but thir strenght? No... My guess would be that some other fantasy added the strenght of Orcs and then the rest of the fantasy universes followed suit.

[Ingenieur]

as far as i know, orcs in Gothic 3 were easy to fight off, pitty)

Obviously, I didn't keep that in mind ;)

Nevertheless they conquered Myrthana in Gothic-3-Not, didn't they?


My guess would be that some other fantasy added the strenght of Orcs and then the rest of the fantasy universes followed suit.

Stories change from time to time. Goethe was not the first man to write about Faust. There are plenty similar stories before his. That is why one speaks of the Faust topic - at least in German. So yes, there is change.

Did you know that even religions have changed, according to what was hip at their time?

Comedian Jürgen Becker has pointed that out, but not for a joke, he was serious on wdr television.

[Hampu]

Because paladins lost their precious magic.

[TudoracheMG]

Think of orcs as giant,hairy apes.They may be much stronger than humans,but they are not so intelligent.

[CrashMorraKan]

as far as i know, orcs in Gothic 3 were easy to fight off, pitty)

try patch 1.73 or 1.74 on hard and AI on and fight elite orc and tell me if you didn't suck sand/dust and all your weapons was taken and gold lmfao.

[CrashMorraKan]

Orcs are so strong because they are a means of story telling. As you might know, men (males and females) are very proud and slightly arrogant against other creatures. (But we're developing, see the green movement)

Tolkien and any other story writers were/are men, too. What victory might be the most glorious?
A) against a feeble creature, outnumbered
B) against a strong creature, outnumbered, too

And if like in The Swarm a feeble creature begins war against humanity, this is a scary story, because todays obviously in the real world there are no orcs. But there still might be invisible creatures (microbes) that can be a true thread.
This coming into our minds frightens us, nowadays.

So, some time ago it was a strong army of orcs, that frightened people; so that is why orcs are so strong.
Mostly, they are also very ugly, because the bad are always ugly, like in most fairy tales. You can read about this in psychological books, as these are known effects.

Regards,

€nginear

but even game have different details about orcs for example in gothic 1 and 2 they looks brown, in gothic 3 they look different brown,pale,dark. in dark messiah orcs looks in red color and eyes are bloody red cause they said there some mage mixed human and demonic spirits and thats how orcs born in DM they that strong in DM that they can catch your neck move you up and toss you like toy (brutal strength) lol IMO in gothic 3 orcs seems cute to me O_O i like they nails too,eyes and arms.
and warcraft 3 they are all green... not tell about other games...

[Nomnom]

but even game have different details about orcs for example in gothic 1 and 2 they looks brown, in gothic 3 they look different brown,pale,dark. in dark messiah orcs looks in red color and eyes are bloody red cause they said there some mage mixed human and demonic spirits and thats how orcs born in DM they that strong in DM that they can catch your neck move you up and toss you like toy (brutal strength) lol IMO in gothic 3 orcs seems cute to me O_O i like they nails too,eyes and arms.
and warcraft 3 they are all green... not tell about other games...Orcs in Lord of the Rings are completely opposite to their Gothic 3 counterparts...Heck, I can probably take one on

[IAMWIMPY]

Think of orcs as giant,hairy apes.They may be much stronger than humans,but they are not so intelligent.

I don't know about that, Orcs seem pretty smart to me...
I mean the conquered Myrtana and kicked Rhobar's ass.
The AI was pretty dumb where just stand there and wait for you while you're killing them one by one.

Orcs are smart they may seem dumb, but still orcs are pretty civilized and they actually gained Xardas' trust unlike most humans. §wink