Gothic 2 learning points and skills - how do they work?

[Epsilonn]

Hi all...how does the learning points/skill system work? I have 30 for 2H and 30 for 1H and this with no bonuses from my weapons or armor. From what I red on the internet I should now pay 1 learning point for 1 skill upgrade for either 1H or 2H until 60...but I still have to pay 2 learning points for 1 skill(so 30 skills in 1H does not influence with anything the 2H learning points/skill requirement)...I want to use 2H so...did I upgrade my 1H to 30 in vain?

[MatTheCat]

I know exactly how the grading in Gothic 2 works, but you are confusing the hell out of me and I challange anyone to make sense of what you are saying.

[Epsilonn]

So, I shall give one example:
1H skill - 30
2H skill - 30
For increasing 1 skill in 1H it requires 2 learning points.
Is that normal?
When I had 30 in 1H and let's say 10 in 2H, for 1 skill in 1H required 2 learning points too...

[mpb03]

Sure, after reaching the not-so-completely-n00b level (aka trained or what :D) the cost doubles, after reaching master it will be 3 I think... dunno mostly I played a mage in NotR. And the two skills are completely independent.

[Epsilonn]

This is what I found on the internet:

If you want to kick butt in melee combat, you'd be wise to raise your
strength and a chosen melee skill. However, you may only advance so far
in a skill before also raising its counterpart. For example, to reach
Master level in Two-Handed Weapons you'll need to put points into One-
Handed Weapons as well. If you try to raise Two-Handed Weapons anyway,
you'll automatically have to pay the points for One-Handed Weapons as
well. So, instead of raising Two-Handed Weapons for 1 advancement
point, you'll spend 2, and get a point of One-Handed Weapons as well.
There are a few ways to get around this, such as "Alrik's Sword", a
special item that raises your One-Handed Weapons skill when wielded. As
far as the game is concerned, there is no distinction between your
natural attributes and any enhancements from magic items.

Is there something I didn't get or this was only for Gothic 2 simple?

[fragonard]

Are you playing regular G2 or G2 with NOTR? They have different skill treatments. In G2NOTR, the skills are unrelated but increase in cost as the level raises.

[Tratos]

It is indeed for Gothic 2 vanilla only. In NotR, you get a price increase anyway. If you hadn't trained 1h fighting and still wanted to develop the 2h fighting, you might have had to pay 4 LP for one point of skill. Not absolutely sure though.

Also, wrong section. Moved to help section.

[Epsilonn]

I play NoTR. The skills are absolutely independent with each other so no matter if I had 10 for 2H nor if I had 30, one skll increase from 30 to 31 for example costs 2 learning points.
So that is the way it should be after all?

[Wend]

Yes and it wil go even higher once you reach (don't know exatcly what number of strenght). Then you'll have to give 3pt or more for 1 strenght.

[Vampyro]

I don't get it I play G2(no NOTR) I've read all the posts but...
In the game they said that It's more excausting for me if I only train 1handed or something
why?
maybe: If I train both even so they are equal its is less LP required? instead of training only 1 skill so it's 3 instead of 2?

[fragonard]

G2 and G2NOTR are different. In G2, related skills must be within a certain numbers of skill points so if you keep training 1H, you must must train 2H as well to keep up. In G2Notr, they are unrelated. Instead, you pay higher and higher cost as you get any skill to higher levels. (30, 60, 90, 120)

[ZombieNL]

G2 and G2NOTR are different. In G2, related skills must be within a certain numbers of skill points so if you keep training 1H, you must must train 2H as well to keep up.

Why? what happens if you train 1H to 100 and 2H to 10?
and how close must those values be together?

[fragonard]

IIRC (it's been a while) in G2 regular they have to be within 30 points so if you train 2H to 10, when you get 1H to 40 the game forces you to pay for 2H training when you next train 1H.

[ZombieNL]

so it costs money if 1H and 2H are not within 30, but does it also effect the fighting?