The sleeper and the focus stone

[KGS]

as you (all) know in G1, you have to get a focus stone for Y'Berion for the great invocation. The focus is right above the temple of the swamp camp as you might have noticed, which has been built before the brotherhood came in the swamp. I think the sleeper used the focus stone to lure Y'Berion and the sect so he would control them easier (the reverse of what the brotherhood uses to 'contact' him). Also the Orc cemetery, Goblin cave and the 'fog tower' form a kind of circle around that focus on the map

[Celestial]

The cult of the sleeper? They are a bunch of whackjobs.

Anyway, how old is swampweed (I think I know what we're talking about here),
Historically, hmmmm, I always thought it was a new world species, shows ya how much I know:(

[KGS]

it was always there in the swamp afaik

but the sleeper most likely meddled trough all focus stones during the creation of the barrier

[NCONiall]

I don't quite know what you're getting at, why would the Sleeper be able to control them better in the swamp?

[Nisarg]

Because swampweed grows best in swamps and it's way easier to control junkies?

[KGS]

because he uses the focus as a beacon, that's why Niraz goes mad when he gets it... and later Cor Calom who spends a lot of time with it
and the swampweed surely helps as well

[The Ore Baron]

The way I see it, the Sleeper had no direct control over the unplanned expansion of the Barrier. I think that the Sleeper ITSELF acted as an additional beacon of magic, not unlike a very powerful magic focus. The mages channeled their magic through the five focus stones, but then suddenly felt a sudden increase in the... uh... charge, they could not contain the magical energy and, to put it shortly, failed. Basically, they tapped into a vein of magical power they had no idea existed in the VoM, and were not able (or at least were not ready) to control it as it rushed through the focus stones into feeding the magic barrier towards gigantic proportions.

The Sleeper is a very powerful being, I don't think it needs the focus stones to channel its energies. Sure, we can agree that both Nyras and Cor Calom spent some intimate time with the focus stone, but what about Baal Lukor? As far as we know, he had no contact with the focus stone, yet seemed more crazy than Nyras, not to mention the latter being a mere novice, and Lukor - a wise (by Sect loonies' standards) man, a guru. Also, the Sleeper came into touch with Y'Berion while he was still living in the Old Camp, surely he had no contact with the focus stone there.

The locations of the focus stones were chosen by the magicians, not by the Sleeper, that's also something worth mentioning.

By the way, about the Sleeper: when exactly did it awaken? Was it ever actually asleep? I don't remember that part. Could it be that the creation of the Barrier was exactly what woken him up from ages-long slumber? It seems to fit nicely: the Barrier is raised, the Sleeper is awoken by the sudden surge of magical power flowing through it, then it begins its schemes (contacting Y'Berion, gathering followers for whatever purpose, etc.).

My two cents ;)

[NCONiall]

By the way, about the Sleeper: when exactly did it awaken? Was it ever actually asleep? I don't remember that part. Could it be that the creation of the Barrier was exactly what woken him up from ages-long slumber? It seems to fit nicely: the Barrier is raised, the Sleeper is awoken by the sudden surge of magical power flowing through it, then it begins its schemes (contacting Y'Berion, gathering followers for whatever purpose, etc.).

In the Gothic 3 manual there's a timeline and it says:

"1000 years ago - Five high priests of a long-forgotten orcish culture summon the Sleeper to earth. During the ritual, they become undead themselves. The Sleeper begins his 1000-year sleep."

However it then says that the events of Gothic I and II took place 1 year ago(from the events of Gothic III), meaning that it was only 999 years since the Sleeper was summoned at the time of his banishment. Whether this was a mistake or not I cannot tell. It's all fantasy in the end.

[DonPhoenix]

In the Gothic 3 manual there's a timeline and it says:

"1000 years ago - Five high priests of a long-forgotten orcish culture summon the Sleeper to earth. During the ritual, they become undead themselves. The Sleeper begins his 1000-year sleep."

However it then says that the events of Gothic I and II took place 1 year ago(from the events of Gothic III), meaning that it was only 999 years since the Sleeper was summoned at the time of his banishment. Whether this was a mistake or not I cannot tell. It's all fantasy in the end.
I don't think that was a mistake. Only thing that would tell me is that NH defeated the Sleeper in the right time- before it was awaken.

[KGS]

The way I see it, the Sleeper had no direct control over the unplanned expansion of the Barrier. I think that the Sleeper ITSELF acted as an additional beacon of magic, not unlike a very powerful magic focus. The mages channeled their magic through the five focus stones, but then suddenly felt a sudden increase in the... uh... charge, they could not contain the magical energy and, to put it shortly, failed. Basically, they tapped into a vein of magical power they had no idea existed in the VoM, and were not able (or at least were not ready) to control it as it rushed through the focus stones into feeding the magic barrier towards gigantic proportions.

The Sleeper is a very powerful being, I don't think it needs the focus stones to channel its energies. Sure, we can agree that both Nyras and Cor Calom spent some intimate time with the focus stone, but what about Baal Lukor? As far as we know, he had no contact with the focus stone, yet seemed more crazy than Nyras, not to mention the latter being a mere novice, and Lukor - a wise (by Sect loonies' standards) man, a guru. Also, the Sleeper came into touch with Y'Berion while he was still living in the Old Camp, surely he had no contact with the focus stone there.

The locations of the focus stones were chosen by the magicians, not by the Sleeper, that's also something worth mentioning.

By the way, about the Sleeper: when exactly did it awaken? Was it ever actually asleep? I don't remember that part. Could it be that the creation of the Barrier was exactly what woken him up from ages-long slumber? It seems to fit nicely: the Barrier is raised, the Sleeper is awoken by the sudden surge of magical power flowing through it, then it begins its schemes (contacting Y'Berion, gathering followers for whatever purpose, etc.).

My two cents ;)

Baal lukor was driven mad by the absence of a sign, also I assume that the sleeper has a connection to ork ruins since the orcs hold rituals for him;
and because the locations of the focus stones were not chosen by the sleeper he lured the brotherhood near such a stone imo

Ur Shak (if that was his name) says that the sleeper was summoned by some ork shamans in order to win a tribal war, and it does not awake until the very end of the game

hmm i have another idea, maybe the sleeper did not intentionally do all (it is asleep after all) that but his influence was leaking trough the focus, creating the visions of the members of the brotherhood (his potentiality was so great that a bit of it turned into actuality)
yesss i agree that it did not interfere directly (otherwise it could have been way more efficient)

also G2 hints that Xardas might have something to do with the barrier because one of his writings in the monastery says something like "the king thinks that the barrier is meant to keep the prisoners from escaping"

[Nisarg]

also G2 hints that Xardas might have something to do with the barrier because one of his writings in the monastery says something like "the king thinks that the barrier is meant to keep the prisoners from escaping"

Yes, but he then mentions that actual reason was to protect the ore from Beliar.

[KGS]

and that is kind of strange since the sleeper was an avatar of Beliar... so Xardas could not have known about its existence

You can easily notice that in G1 and G2 we are playing trough the myth that Vatras narrates to the townspeople... kind of like an eternal return thing going on

[tomislav]

forget sleper 5 big evils are coming.... §cry