Gothic-like games

[Danutz_plusplus]

Are there any other games that you know of that come close to the Gothic experience? Except The Elder Scrolls series, of course.

[rockfest]

Are there any other games that you know of that come close to the Gothic experience? Except The Elder Scrolls series, of course.
Honestly dunno. I think that Ultima IX resembles Gothic when i look at the screenshots but i didn't actually played it.

Besides that...i have no idea.

[Ogolain]

Arx Fatalis maybe. A great game, by the way.

It is rather hard to say, because even if the Gothics do nothing special, they mix it in a rather rare way. It would be simpler to say what part of the Gothics you enjoy, so we can tell you wich other games do it well.

[allah]

Other RPG's of course, like Fable, Kotor or Vamipre.

[.†.MikeL.†.]

Arx Fatalis maybe. A great game, by the way.

It is rather hard to say, because even if the Gothics do nothing special, they mix it in a rather rare way. It would be simpler to say what part of the Gothics you enjoy, so we can tell you wich other games do it well.

I can't say that Arx Fatalis is like Gothic at all.
What I didn't like was that all the game is in the dungeons IMO very boring instead Gothic has great nature inviroment and dungeons too ;)

[_DieGo_]

Diablo? Dungeon Siege? Prince of Persia? These are not really like Gothic, but there are RPGs too from my knowledge... :confused:
EDIT: NeverWinter Night? (or sth liek that)
...By DieGo...

[SirPaladin]

Well, there aren`t games like Gothic. Gothic is unique. There are, however, games that resemble some of Gothic`s elements, but never the atmo and parts that made it our favorite game. :)
I cannot give an example, except Fable, but this one`s a rather childish and very easy game.

[Ogolain]

Actually, about Arx Fatalis, it handles the underground aspect very well. I hated underground stuff before, and this game reconciliated me with it.
If I used it to say "somehow like Gothic", it is for the :

- possibility to go explore the world at any point
- possibility to do some side quest for a rather long time
- superb sound design, real sense of immersion (yeah, teh eevol i-word), immersion reinforced by :
- inertia of the character, you do not move like a free cam, and yes it is important
- your character has a voice and a personality
- there are important and recurrent side characters

What Arx doesn't do compared to Gothic :
- choices in the main quest, except the four endings
- exteriors (I thought there would be some, since you have a key to the gate, but there is no way not to die when you open it)
- big breathing cities

I have also heard that the english voice-acting is great. Hey, not a surprise here, it is a french game after all, and these guys know how to localize properly.
The magic system is surprising, and works quite well, after you have got used to it.
The interface is very old-school and the learning curve ungrateful, like Gothic, so expect to suffer a bit before really loving the game.

[Unkillable Cat]

Ultima VII, in it's whole, two-parter, two expansion-packs, glory.

[superninja™]

There is no games like gothic§danke So thanks Innos

[.†.MikeL.†.]

Ultima VII, in it's whole, two-parter, two expansion-packs, glory.

What exacly is the Ultima VII :confused:
I saw pics from Google and it seems like a Game Boy game :D

[Sloberius Rex]

There are alot of simular games out their, but the differ in what I consider to be the largest areas, atmosphere. So many games are the same, but become completely different because of atmosphere.

I cannot think of any game with the awesome and dark atmosphere of Gothic. Some may come close (as mentioned Fable comes close I think in the atmosphere department anyway.)

Fable aside, I cannot think of any other RPG's with that dark sort of atmosphere.

What about Thief? (never really played it, heard alot about it, it sounds like a darker world.)

[Onisuzume]

If I used it to say "somehow like Gothic", it is for the :

- possibility to go explore the world at any point
- possibility to do some side quest for a rather long time
- superb sound design, real sense of immersion (yeah, teh eevol i-word), immersion reinforced by :
- inertia of the character, you do not move like a free cam, and yes it is important
- your character has a voice and a personality
- there are important and recurrent side characters
Well, the only real game that truly has this (save two points) would be Fallout.
After you exit the cave you begin in, you can really travel anywhere.
Some of characters have, when talked to, an animated face which shows his/her disposition towards you. And all (of the ones with a face) have their own voice. (And that for a game from 1997)


What exacly is the Ultima VII
I saw pics from Google and it seems like a Game Boy game
It's a rather old game...1995 or so iirc.

[rockfest]

- possibility to go explore the world at any point

Well that won't be in G3. And even in G2 and 1 some areas like Orc Land were totaly out of limits because of the difficulty. :)



Fable aside, I cannot think of any other RPG's with that dark sort of atmosphere.

Well honestly i played Fable and it doesn;t even resemble to Gothic. The graphics are way too shiny, the story is ver linear, repeating areas, etc
And absolutely you don't have that feeling that the world is like a real one. You just go back and forth :)

[superninja™]

Whats this?
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/996151121-00.jpg

[WernerTWC]

Whats this?
An advertising for mobygames maybe???? ;) :D Because more i don't see, check that link.
And can you describe what you wanted to show us!?

[snakefaster]

I know a game like gothic1,2
Rune...not runescape but rune.
Its a game where are you the viking and mostprotect runestones.
But - of this game is a world levels it bad when i move on i cant go to back

[superninja™]

Sorry for the link try here :
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/ultima-ix-ascension/screenshots

[Sloberius Rex]

Well honestly i played Fable and it doesn;t even resemble to Gothic. The graphics are way too shiny, the story is ver linear, repeating areas, etc
And absolutely you don't have that feeling that the world is like a real one. You just go back and forth

Actually I would have to agree, I found some 'darker' elements to Fable (you can be evil, sacrifice inocents, kill you friend, and you little sister was tortured and had her eyes plucked out) but it is much simpler and childlike of a game compared to Gothic, with no where near as much freedom.


I know a game like gothic1,2
Rune...not runescape but rune.
Its a game where are you the viking and mostprotect runestones.
But - of this game is a world levels it bad when i move on i cant go to back

Ha, I loved that game (I am a Viking, so go figure). Kindof dark, running around hacking everything apart with oversized Axes, Warhammers and swords. But it is not a roleplaying game at all, it is a first person shooter, but with medieval weapons instead of guns, with some puzzles and platform jumping scenes thrown in for good measure. Very linear, as you would expect from a FPS. This game crossed my mind too, but I think anybody playing it expecting a roleplaying game would be let down.

[WernerTWC]

Sorry for the link try here :
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/ultima-ix-ascension/screenshots
Looks cool,... old but cool, i never played any Ultima, but from the look (except some colors) it's coming close to a gothic-look.

Anyone around who played it and can enlighten us about gameplay, look and feel??

[rockfest]

Looks cool,... old but cool, i never played any Ultima, but from the look (except some colors) it's coming close to a gothic-look.

Anyone around who played it and can enlighten us about gameplay, look and feel??
Actually we already discussed about Ultima in this thread :
*click me, i'm just a humble link* (http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/showthread.php?t=63065) :D
Well ok, we did got OT in the last few posts but there is a screenshot there posted by rekinu that really makes you think that Ultima look like Gothic alot.
PS : I never did managed to install the game :C:

[WernerTWC]

Actually we already discussed about Ultima in this thread :
*click me, i'm just a humble link* (http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/showthread.php?t=63065) :D
Well ok, we did got OT in the last few posts but there is a screenshot there posted by rekinu that really makes you think that Ultima look like Gothic alot.
PS : I never did managed to install the game :C:
I wouldn't call that back there a discussion around Ultima,... and it was only one screen, no further informations, nobody who told about his/her experince with the game, so my question still stands:

Anyone around who played it and can enlighten us about gameplay, look and feel??

[Onisuzume]

I think I played it...
Ages ago.
I don't even remember how to move in that game. >_>

[allah]

Diablo? Dungeon Siege? Prince of Persia? These are not really like Gothic, but there are RPGs too from my knowledge... :confused:
EDIT: NeverWinter Night? (or sth liek that)
...By DieGo...
Diablo and Dungeon Siege are hack'n'slash RPG's. No way Prince of Presia is a RPG. PoP is an action. ;)

[Dragon Slayer]

I wanted to say something without any explainations:

GOTHIC IS UNIQUE ! Only one gothic excists ! ...that was enough:D

[Danutz_plusplus]

GOTHIC IS UNIQUE ! Only one gothic excists ! ...that was enough
Well there are 2 Gothics and a half(Gothic 1 and 2 and NOTR), and another one is on the way(Gothic 3).
:D

[WernerTWC]

Well there are 2 Gothics and a half(Gothic 1 and 2 and NOTR), and another one is on the way(Gothic 3).
:D
You are right when you see it like this, but i always see that, for me, personally, it is one big thing, one story, one game, one community ;) ! Even if it's partitioned into g1, g2 and notr (and g3 :D ) !


GOTHIC IS UNIQUE ! Only one gothic excists !
Dito! :)

[superninja™]

Knights Of The Temple

[WernerTWC]

Knights Of The Temple
And what you wanna tell us with that post? Should we google it?
So, can you please put some more content in your post, some infos, experience from you while playing, what you are talking about, what it makes compareable to gothic, just post a name of a game (so i guess) is not really a post, i recommend to read (again?) the netiquette: (http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/announcement.php?f=209&a=55)


The so-called "Spamming" is undesired. Try to write whole sentences and only post a reply if you have actually something to say. By the way, senseless spamming can be punished by deletion of the counter.

[Arctica]

Well never seen something like Gothic again,
but other good RPGs are:
Knights of the old Republic I and II
Fable
Neverwinter Nights

Just try it, perhaps you will find somthing suitable...

[zerosdfd]

I found this preatty good rpg called Vampires bloodlines masquerade. It has very good atmosphere, graphics, and storyline and a funny way of gaining energy (you have to drink the blood of NPCs, but no one can see it) There are monsters too and you can actually choose you character (Malkavian is meant to be the best). Try it!
http://www.vampirebloodlines.com/

[Colonelu]

I found this preatty good rpg called Vampires bloodlines masquerade. It has very good atmosphere, graphics, and storyline and a funny way of gaining energy (you have to drink the blood of NPCs, but no one can see it) There are monsters too and you can actually choose you character (Malkavian is meant to be the best). Try it!
http://www.vampirebloodlines.com/

Yes Vampire the Masquarade is a very good game but it doesent compare like Gothic, it has like Gothic unique elements ;)

@superninja:
If Knights of the Temple seems like gothic then i'm a animal :rolleyes:

[ruler_of_darknes]

Looks cool,... old but cool, i never played any Ultima, but from the look (except some colors) it's coming close to a gothic-look.

Anyone around who played it and can enlighten us about gameplay, look and feel??


i have to look at this closer if it is like gothic tell me

1.did its "first player (person)"
2.can i hire mercenaries or whatewer man to come with me for gold of course



i like the screenshots but i dont think this will be like gothic because of the camera.
i think the camera is like the "knights of the temple" good game but the camera was big mistake pls if someone knows how the camera is post here or anywhere.

[adrian93]

I found this preatty good rpg called Vampires bloodlines masquerade. It has very good atmosphere, graphics, and storyline and a funny way of gaining energy (you have to drink the blood of NPCs, but no one can see it) There are monsters too and you can actually choose you character (Malkavian is meant to be the best). Try it!
http://www.vampirebloodlines.com/
It doesn't look that special

[Danutz_plusplus]

Originaly posted by WernerTWC
You are right when you see it like this, but i always see that, for me, personally, it is one big thing, one story, one game, one community ! Even if it's partitioned into g1, g2 and notr (and g3 ) !
Yeah, but I was joking around. i also consider them as one. Yeah G1, G2, NOTR and G3 and G4(if were lucky) are just chapters form the world of Gothic that have and will unfold. It just felt funny to say what I did. :)

[adrian93]

Very good Rpgs:
Legacy of Kain
Kinghts of the old republic
The elder scrolls

[reddwarf2300282]

I played Ultima 9.
When I started to play the game, I was very suprised, how similar is this game to Gothic.:eek: I bet, that gothic designers played it and were inspired by this game.;)
Unfortunately Ultima 9 gameplay is not the same as Gothic.:(
The game was published before it was finished.
After 19 pathes there are still many bugs.
Battles and development of main character are also very bad.
Only several NPCs live in the game. Most of them only stand and wait, because of bad collision system, which cause frequent stoppage of NPCs.
You can try it, if you want to see unfinished prototype of Gothic.;)


Gothic-like games:
Realms of arcania 1, 2, 3.
I recommend third(Shadows over riva).
You can play it in first person view. You can go anywhere.
Battles are turn based. Gameplay and music are excellent.:A
http://www.thecomputershow.com/computershow/previews/shadowsoverriva.htm

Ultima 5 Lazarus.
not first person view game, but there is big freedom and
NPCs live their lifes as in gothic games.:A

[ruler_of_darknes]

I played Ultima 9.
When I started to play the game, I was very suprised, how similar is this game to Gothic.:eek: I bet, that gothic designers played it and were inspired by this game.;)
Unfortunately Ultima 9 gameplay is not the same as Gothic.:(
The game was published before it was finished.
After 19 pathes there are still many bugs.
Battles and development of main character are also very bad.
Only several NPCs live in the game. Most of them only stand and wait, because of bad collision system, which cause frequent stoppage of NPCs.
You can try it, if you want to see unfinished prototype of Gothic.;)


Gothic-like games:
Realms of arcania 1, 2, 3.
I recommend third(Shadows over riva).
You can play it in first person view. You can go anywhere.
Battles are turn based. Gameplay and music are excellent.:A
http://www.thecomputershow.com/computershow/previews/shadowsoverriva.htm

Ultima 5 Lazarus.
not first person view game, but there is big freedom and
NPCs live their lifes as in gothic games.:A

Shadow of riva i saw some screenshots a great game for my brother he is 3 years old he can play gothic till chapter 2 but this game i doubt he will know how to start it this looks like TETRIS

[elmroth]

I wish there were more games like Gothic! But there are games that can give you a near 'Gothic like experience'. ;) I just finished one: Ultima V: Lazarus. It has meaningful quests, cool NPCs and beautiful dungeons. But being a mod for Dungeon Siege the game mechanics are very different from Gothic.
http://www.u5lazarus.com/
And get the bug fixes from the mod forum:
http://www.u5lazarus.org/forum/index.php

[Beelzebu]

My favourite type of games are RPG, and besides Gothics, my favourites are Neverwinter Nights( it would be the best if gothic dosnt exist) and Temple of elemental evil ( more D&D type of games with turns and all that) KOTOR are great but my computer is kind of old §gnah to play them. Maybe Sacred, Spellforce (mix of RPG and strategy) and some online RPGs ( DarkEden: vampires; Knightonline; Ragnarokonline; Linage 2 and so on) maybe none of them is like gothic, but are really good so u should try them.

[merisanu]

No one mentioned Dungeon Lords. I think is a good RPG, u can't learn from the NPC's but it has a good story and a big world to explore. Besides u can fight DRAGONS and i tell u they are very strong. It's a game that realy put your mind to work and has a lot of traps. In some parts I read a walktrough to get the missions done. It's much newer than Gothic but i still prefer Gothic. http://www.dungeonlordsgame.com/main.php. You must know that is very dark and has a magical part to. The story is about a magician who rebel against an other one and now drive the forces of evil to the kingdom. U may try a demo to see the game http://www.dungeonlordsgame.com/main.php?s=download
. Some other interesting things in Dungeon lords u may become a thief, a samuray, a hunter (ranger), a magician and other things.
u can find the best walktrough here http://www.gamebanshee.com/dungeonlords/walkthrough.php

[mercury00]

Alright everyone, some of you are new to games. I've been playing these games for the last 18 years (before some of you were born), so let me answer some questions. In comparison to Gothic:

Dungeon Siege: Pure hack and slash.
Fable: Cutesy. The world map is a hallway (no exploration).
TES: Good, if you like slow, actionless games. Open ended but completely uncompelling. (but I've only played daggerfall, morrowind, and oblivion - they have others)
Enclave: 1st person hack and slash with a little story.
RUNE: hack and slash, like Enclave,but older.
DIABLO: still a pretty good game, even if it's completely linear and 90% hack and slash.
Vampire: Good RPG elements, if you're goth, and very very linear.
Sacred, etc: RTS, pretends to be RPG, but it isnt.
Neverwinter Nights: Good DnD, but everything is a little contrived.
MMORPG's: Completely different kind of game.

Don't get me wrong, I own each of these games because they're fun. But gothic-like, no. I do like:

Fallout series: One of the best RPG's of all time, big cult following (a certain game company is making number 3).
ULTIMA 7: What many good RPG's are based on. Although the plot in part 2 became a little bit dragged out, nevertheless one of the best RPG's of all time, I still have it running on Exult. When Gothic 1 came out, many people described it as the closest thing to Ultima 7 they had played.
Ultima 9 Ascension: My version is completely playable, it's like Ultima 7 in 3d. I agree, its kindof like a beta or alpha version of gothic 1, but with heavy handed moral platitudes.
Arx Fatalis: Not exactly like Gothic, this game was made specifically as a tribute to Ultima Underworld (I and II), thus the underground feel. An awesome game, if you can ignore plot holes, huge player traps (entering the wrong places skips half the story) and the fact that the enormous city of Arx is populated by 9 people.
KoToR etc: Awesome RPG, but not at all like gothic imo.

I keep waiting for someone else to make a game as compelling, immersive, and playable as the Gothic games. These are the Big 3 things I see in gothic, above everything else. I'll have to keep waiting, but while I do I'll play games like these.

[Danutz_plusplus]

One of the best RPG: Severance - Blade of Darkness. It's one of the first action-rpg I got my hands on. And it's great. Don't know why they didn't continue it. :(

[Dez]

Because Rebel Act studios (devolper) went bankrupt. Its a shame because the game didn't sell bad (althought it was never a massive hit). The reason why RAS went down is because those financial obscurities they had.

[Danutz_plusplus]

Because Rebel Act studios (devolper) went bankrupt. Its a shame because the game didn't sell bad (althought it was never a massive hit). The reason why RAS went down is because those financial obscurities they had.

Man it really is bad when things like that happen. The same thing happened to Evil Islands,(just that Nival didn't go bankrupt, they just didn't do a sequel to it) and it was a really great rpg imo. Everthing was great about it, gameplay, graphics were superb for those times, story. Too bad things things like these happen. :(

[Gurak]

One of the best RPG: Severance - Blade of Darkness. It's one of the first action-rpg I got my hands on. And it's great. Don't know why they didn't continue it. :(


rebelact is disolved, and yes its a real shame cause that game is for me the best game ive ever played along with Gothic and Carmagedon

[Sloberius Rex]

No one mentioned Dungeon Lords. I think is a good RPG

Yup, that's an interesting one (you will either love it or hate it). Too unfinished, the literally ran out of time to complete the game, so NPC's are very scarce. (get the collectors edition, alot of the original material that was left out was put back in this edition.) Lots of bugs too.

That said, very intense fighting, nice graphics (trees look like Oblivion but with less variety, may have used speed tree? and the dungeons, just excellent!) and one of the more interesting character build systems I have seen, with some awesome skills, like 2 handed fighting and ninjitsu. Many issues, none of which prevented me from enjoying the game.

[Khaled]

well..my no.1 RPG is Might&Magic VII...man..the atmosphere in that game is to great to be true..is in strong relations with the best TBS ever made Heroes III..I never thought that I will play such a game untill my history teacher gave me Gothic 1(wich I only played after 4 months)..but the series of Might&Magic remains the Best..now On-topic..I think that a gothic-like RPG is Arx Fatalis..played it just a little...

[eclemif]

I played many FRP games before Gothic. Actually I found Gothic when I was looking to find M&M-like games. What I mean precisely is:
Role-Playing (RPG) > Adventure > Medieval / Fantasy > First-Person Perspective -like games §kratz

Ok, the games that I am talking about are:

- Might & Magic Series (5,6,7,8 & 9) - 10th (M&M 10 Dark Messiah is on its way, it looks good:
http://www.mightandmagic.com/uk/darkmessiah/teaser/

- Summoner Series
http://www.summoner.com/

- Severance - Blade of Darkness
http://www.codemasters.com/severance/eng/Index3.htm

- Wizards & Warriors Series
http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/wizardswarriors

- Wizardry 8
http://www.sir-tech.com/wizardry8/index2.html

- Drakan Series
Drakan: Order of the Flame & Drakan 2 (PC)
Drakan: The Ancients' Gates (PS2)
http://www.planetdrakan.com/

- King's Quest VIII - Mask of Eternity

- Thief series (eh maybe)

- and of course Arx Fatalis

Some of them out of date or poor. Maybe only I felt the similarity. Nevertheless new versions are on their way (such as M&M X) and because of their history I respect them more than Gothic even they are old

... and maybe they will be better than Gothic series...

still Gothic rules ;)

and:

Online Games:
- Everquest series
- Horizons: Empire Of Istaria
- World of Warcraft
etc...

50/50 (most like diablo):
- Vampire Masquerade Series
- The Art Of Magic - Magic & Mayhem
I do not consider them Gothic-like games, much like Diablo-like games such as:
Baldur's Gate , Divinity, Dungeon Siege, Pool of Radiance, Battle Mages, Icewind Dale etc. etc.

maybe this will help more:

http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/role-playing-rpg/adventure-2nd/medieval-fantasy/1st-person-perspective/

[Danutz_plusplus]

§welcome Welcome to the world of gothic forums eclemif. Feel free to post a hello on this welcome thread. Have fun.
http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/showthread.php?p=2101674#post2101674

@topic:Thanks for the links. There are lot of great games in there.

Also you should know double posts are not very welcome around here. You can use the edit button on top of your post to edit it when you want to add something. Enjoy your time on WOG.:)

[Colonelu]

50/50 (most like diablo):
- Vampire Masquerade Series

At least did you played Vampire the Masquarade? First play it and them comment, if you did played it i dunno why you consider VtM like Diablo cause they are total different games, not even a fact from VtM is in Diablo ;)

[eclemif]

At least did you played Vampire the Masquerade? First play it and them comment, if you did played it i dunno why you consider VtM like Diablo cause they are total different games, not even a fact from VtM is in Diablo ;)

Most of the games I listed above based on different systems. Everyone one of them is unique, different than each-other. I tried to put my best judgement on "gothic-like games" which is subjective. Also I make up an another phrase like "diablo-like games" which is again subjective (so why bother hmmm but that is why we are here don't we... to discuss the details and small details and more details) §kratz

and yes I played the Vampire the Masquerade and "for me" it is looks more like a Diablo style game but I agree with you also, ok it is not Diablo style game ;) that's what I called 50/50

[Makendo]

Are there any other games that you know of that come close to the Gothic experience? Except The Elder Scrolls series, of course.


Well...try dungeon siege 1 and 2,fable,KoTOR and other rpgs or you can always try some mmorpgs like world of warcraft,guild wars,line age,etc

[_Wandere_]

Man it really is bad when things like that happen. The same thing happened to Evil Islands,(just that Nival didn't go bankrupt, they just didn't do a sequel to it) and it was a really great rpg imo. Everthing was great about it, gameplay, graphics were superb for those times, story. Too bad things things like these happen. :( Actually a sequel to evil Islands exists but just in Russian!:(

... and wtf is this: Gothic-like games!!!
There is no such thing, gothic is a game made and published by small companies, it haven't been advertised enough and it is rather new so I don't see how there could be Gothic-like games!
There are other, older and more known games that set the patters; Gothic still has a long way till it gets there! But this is what is trying to be done whit G3, who knows!
Gothic has something that I haven’t encounter in any other game a great interface and voice acting for every npc, this is where gothic may set a pattern.

[Area-69]

There is no games like gothic§danke So thanks Innos

Agreed§danke There is however only ONE game that I love to play besides G series and that woul be Fable ...:o

[Khaled]

I hope there will be games like Gothic..'cause those kind of gaming successes must be an example for other producers..and so the gaming industry will wvolve..(oh God..what am I posting here? :p )...anyway..I would like to see games like Gothic in the future..

[WernerTWC]

...anyway..I would like to see games like Gothic in the future..
I often thought that some games could be much, MUCH better if the devs only would copy-steal more from gothic-games,... freedom,... atmosphere,... gameplay,... love to details, etc,... imho good "copy"/stolen ideas are better than bad own-ideas some other devs come around with. (I.e. Kotor: when i am a super-bad-guy but a "harbour"-worker is ranting at me for some money and i just can't kill him like it should be), other super-heros they not can jump a 5cm border and so on....).
So i can say dito,... more of gothic-like games would be cool, as long as only "ideas" are implemented in other games,.... i mean a "totally" copy would be worse, i mean more that other devs can learn many from the PBs. ;)

[Matta]

§welcome Area-69! You should post something about yourself in the Welcome Forum:http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/showthread.php?t=100275&page=19
On-topic. The most gothic-like games I have played is "The Elder Scrolls" Series.
But I have to say that Gothic is unique!;)

[Hellbilly]

I often thought that some games could be much, MUCH better if the devs only would copy-steal more from gothic-games,... freedom,... atmosphere,... gameplay,... love to details, etc,... imho good "copy"/stolen ideas are better than bad own-ideas some other devs come around with. (I.e. Kotor: when i am a super-bad-guy but a "harbour"-worker is ranting at me for some money and i just can't kill him like it should be), other super-heros they not can jump a 5cm border and so on....).
So i can say dito,... more of gothic-like games would be cool, as long as only "ideas" are implemented in other games,.... i mean a "totally" copy would be worse, i mean more that other devs can learn many from the PBs. ;)

I agree with many things here. And I am attending a summer course on game design, where the teacher said that one of the most usual ways of designing the basic concept of a computer game is to think of a game you like, copy it and start improving the idea.

Now, perhaps we should start sending copies of Gothic I + II to game designers? :D

Also, I was just today thinking, that if a game that took the best things of the Gothics, the way the world looks with all the detail, the daily routines of the people, the action-oriented combat style (and maybe improve it further) and the visual immersion, and the best things from Morrowind, the great and really involving history of the world, the truly immersive on-going plots and events and the main plot (which I find more intriguing than either Gothic even though the premise of G1 is one of the best I've ever met, and definitely better than that of Morrowind), not to mention the size of Vvardenfell, then we'd have pretty much the perfect game.

And I guess chances are that G3 will accomplish these.