[Northie]

But even that only works if your Linux partitions are formatted with a file system that Windows does not understand.

Default format does so. Why would you even bring that up?

Unless one intentionally tries to do so it ain't gonna happen.

[entity]

Pray enlighten me - what does the registry have to do with scanning files on the hard disk? Do you think it is the file allocation table or something? Also, if the OS does not have registry, it has something equivalent to serve the purpose.

Registers are probably the best way to get list of installed software on windows. That's probably how the software part of the survey I linked to earlier works.
Anyway, I still think Linux would make it harder for them to "scan your whole computer". Though who knows, maybe that's the reason why it's taking them so long

Purely because it interests me - source for this claim? I'm not doubting it or anything but it would still be an interesting read.

Sorry - proof of people not discovering something?
I'm just saying people have been poking in around Steam for quite a while and no one has discovered anything mentioned.


You're right about the disassembly thing, silly me
Though someone who understands asm well enough could basically use it for the same thing, only it would take longer

[Sunleader]

I said this Before
But I.ll Repeat it for you


Do you think Professional Programmers aiming at your Data
would be outdone by something known for nearly a Century ?


Dont get me wrong
I said I am dissappointet
I am not Using Steam as you might have read in the Posts before


That doesnt change my Dissappointment about this Game being Released with Steam Requirement

I also dont mind Companys having their Game available on Steam


But a Game which enforces the usage of an Big Brother Tool like Steam is simply dissappointing


well whatever
it looks like I got the other guy Quiet
and as for ways around Steam
dont get me wrong
then the best way would be to use Micro Steam or other Cracked Steam Versions

Its not like I would not know ways around Steam
and much better ones then dual OS or having a Computer running for Steam Only



But thats not the Point here
You see I have Bought the Games so Far
and till I read about this one Requiring Steam I was sure to Buy this one as well


And you know this is a funny aspect
someone who doesnt buy expects trouble anyways
he already made a workaround to actually get the game
so of course he will will workaround Steam as well


But those who Buy it
dont want to workaround such stuff
so the whole idea of suggesting workarounds here is a joke to begin with


Theres one simple thing I wantet to Say here

I and many others will never Buy anything that Requires Steam
Other Games broke due to this because they had so much fewer customers that they either decided that the next game would go without Steam
or in rare case that they even lifted the Steam Requirement


Others might say something like well
If you require Steam I will still play your Game I will just not Buy it and play it over Steam


But that Happens with or without Steam
I dont really care


I say simply
as long as this Game Requires Steam I wont Buy or Play it
I wont Support and or Advertise any Game found on Steam
Ha Honestly Said I dont even know any Game from Steam excepting the ones I saw without knowing they Require Steam and which I then decided not to buy due to Steam




Well thats all

Greetz Guys



edit:
Oh also
Just for the Paranoya part

But you see
Here where I come from
theres a nice new Trend

Thats Companys browsing Facebook and other Sources for Infos on Employees and/or people who apply as Employee to them

And especially Facebook sharing lots of Information about People has caused quite a Number of Denials in this case
as well as causing lots of people to get suddenly Fired for uncertain reasons
after the Employer read on Facebook that his Wife is Pregnant and thus knowing that he will soon be paying someone who wont be coming to work for quite some time



Information and Personal Data in the Wrong Hands are Dangerous
Especially Data which left your own Hands without you knowing it

Steam has access to all Data you store on your Computer
All Account Passwords
All Online Banking Data
All Bookmarks
All Logs of your Browsing



Now you say I am Paranoid about it
I say you should look through the News
about cases where Bank Accounts Transfer Money to some Foreign Country and about Thiefs who take away your Car

Just so you know
Its not a Secret that many Thiefrings especially those stealing Cars and more Valuable stuff
are referring to Data gained from either their own Company (data which the Customers left there in the believe it only be used for their profit) or from open sources like Facebook



Companys and other Organizations Buy Data for quite high Prices
Money Lures
and even Valve surely has someone in their Ranks who thinks that he deserves much more then Valve Pays him

Now in the Harmless case you will just start getting Advertising which is for some reason exactly what you searched for Earlier
and dont worry even if you went to Porn Sides they dont care at all and wont take it bad on you

In more serios cases you might have someone trying to hack your Bank Account or you might find stuff on your Ban

[Northie]

Then boot a copy of Windows from USB! http://tinyurl.com/6nsw7eu

But wait, no, that's still not good enough. Cause they could scan it with their Borg mind while its attached to the PC booted with a different copy of Windows that doesn't have steam installed. lol

Well there you go, your given TWO things you could do and its still not all there is.

I wouldn't be surprised if you secretly work for EA origin or other steam competition. And if you say you don't that means you probably do.

[Sunleader]

Your not the brightest Bulp in that House are ya ?


Mate
First
I already told you
If I wantet to I could use an cracked Steam
Far Easyr and Far Safer then trying to use Original Steam by using third rate tricks from 6 years ago to bypass it

Dont get this wrong
what your suggesting is basicly at the same level as that trend of 2001 where you changed the Date of your Computer to make Test Versions Think that they expire only after 20 years or so ......



Booting OS from USB Stick ?
Mate I have no Idea how your stuck on OS
Steam can Scan your Harddrive Directly
without relying on your OS at all
Steam is an own Programm and thus has own Functions and Routines
You need an OS to Execute it
but once Executet it does not need an OS in the First Place


So Basicly
While having Steam Running I would need to Disengage my Harddisk and could not Login anywhere
actually If I wantet to be clean I could not even surf anywhere at all as even that will be logged

That would be no Different then a Second Computer mate



but as I said before
If I aimed at simply avoiding Steam I would just use a Cracked Steam Version which doesnt have an scanning ability in the first place and simply keeps sending an set of Information I or someone else defined solely for the purpose of being send (of course fake info not containing anything of value)

Luckily Steam cant Verify the Information it Receives as it doesnt know what your Storing on your Computer
which makes it easy to trick it (which is another reason for it to be useless as Anti Cheat Tool and more obvios to be aimed at just spying out legal customers)

Of course it would be wise to define the Data set yourself to make sure that Valve doesnt Realize upon checking for your Data


But all in all
Steam aint that Hard to Avoid
I dont need Tips on Avoiding it


However I know such stuff cause I am working in that area
Most Customers Buying their Stuff Legal wont Know they wont even know they are scanned in the First Place

And I am simply saying that I will work against anyone who supports something like that
If I were in Politics I would even try to have it prohibited to do something like that .....
but well thats something else
I.ll at least vote for those who demand this to be prohibited





well then
long story
and nothing new said


Mate
1. No I dont Work for Any of those Companys

2. You can Believe what you Want and if you want to Believe I am from EA or some other Company then go ahead I dont really care

3. Theres Certainly Ways what I can do (not anything you suggested tough as your Methods are clearly proving that you have no idea how a Computer works and honestly said all your Methods would do is making much effort for nothing as most of it would not even block of Steam at all lol)
But you see as I told you
I dont want to do such Stuff
I am not Pirating Games (why should I I do that in the first place I earn enough that I can spend Money on Item Shops and Online Games so It hardly poses a Problem to Buy something)

I am simply not Supporting Games which use something thats close to a modern Stasi System

4. Mate
I.ll say this as gently as Possible
For I meet many many People on the Net
and on a Forum you cant really differeniate if your counterpart is totally stupid but absolutely serios
or if hes actually not nearly as stupid as you think but joking around

in your case you yourself have clearly given up on reasoning properly
so
Either you are honestly believing that nonsense your writing
or you are being sarcastic because you realize you lost this one



in either Case mate

I said my Piece on this Forum
I think its clear that I am Dissappointet
and I think its clear why

So I.ll Excuse myself before I hear more tips about something I can archieve much easyr anyways


Greetz Guys
ps
Hopefully this Game will with time realize the Mistake and Drop Steam
by the way I am not opposed to any Copyright Protection that does not Require to be Online all the Time
so Steam and Ubisoft are basicly the only ones I am clearly Blocking right now

But I am not exactly wanting any Copyright Protection in the First Place
While other Protections are by far not as annoying and dangerous as Steam
It wont change they are still annoying as well


Well then ....

[Nisarg]

Registers are probably the best way to get list of installed software on windows. That's probably how the software part of the survey I linked to earlier works.
Anyway, I still think Linux would make it harder for them to "scan your whole computer". Though who knows, maybe that's the reason why it's taking them so long

If they want a list of installed software, sure, the registry is the best way. But then Linux probably has an equivalent to the registry. And Linux may or mayn't make it harder for them to poke around the whole hard disk.

Sorry - proof of people not discovering something?
I'm just saying people have been poking in around Steam for quite a while and no one has discovered anything mentioned.

Source of the claim that people have been poking around in Steam?

Do you think Professional Programmers aiming at your Data
would be outdone by something known for nearly a Century ?

What has been known for nearly a century? How to hide data in computers? We haven't had such powerful computers for anywhere near a century.

Steam has access to all Data you store on your Computer
All Account Passwords
All Online Banking Data
All Bookmarks
All Logs of your Browsing

I wonder, Online Banking Data on your system? Account Passwords? Are you sure about that?

Then boot a copy of Windows from USB! http://tinyurl.com/6nsw7eu

But wait, no, that's still not good enough. Cause they could scan it with their Borg mind while its attached to the PC booted with a different copy of Windows that doesn't have steam installed. lol

Well there you go, your given TWO things you could do and its still not all there is.

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You boot a copy of Windows from the USB. Sure. And you argue that Steam cannot scan while that copy of Windows is running because it isn't installed on it. Agreed. And what makes you think you can play Steam games from that copy of Windows?

The entire argument here is that Steam scans your system while you're running the Steam client (you may or may not be playing games at that moment). You may or may not have heard of it - but in general Windows can access all partitions on your HDD as long as it has a filesystem it understands (FAT16, FAT32, NTFS for Windows XP, Vista and 7 AFAIK). It doesn't matter what that copy of Windows is installed on. If you run the Steam Client on it, it can read all the files.

Mate I have no Idea how your stuck on OS
Steam can Scan your Harddrive Directly
without relying on your OS at all
Steam is an own Programm and thus has own Functions and Routines
You need an OS to Execute it
but once Executet it does not need an OS in the First Place

That is incorrect. Steam relies on Windows to run. And it uses Windows functions to access files on your HDD.

Luckily Steam cant Verify the Information it Receives as it doesnt know what your Storing on your Computer
which makes it easy to trick it (which is another reason for it to be useless as Anti Cheat Tool and more obvios to be aimed at just spying out legal customers)

I don't think anti-cheat tools work that way. They first verify certain files of the game to ensure they haven't been tampered with. Then, I think they keep an eye out for programmes that attempt to hook into the game executables while running.

[Saber7]

The game crafters of today are all millionaires and dont want to be bothered with player questions and support issues.
So you get the third party game Managers Like origin steam gamers first gamespy ... They take care of the customers by not allowing us contact with the creators of the game. This way if any thing is wrong they are insulated from our sharp tongues.The sitiuation should be completely reversed .Well if you imagine 50-100000 suport tickets for the same issue its maddening.
A grass root effort to break these managers would require wide spread effort to boycot them. Most game published today are of the publish it patch it later variety, so they hype this game to the stars to get us to purchase at release. the joke is on us! Revolt!

[entity]

Source of the claim that people have been poking around in Steam?

You can run into this stuff mostly on forums where you have to be registered to view the topics
like whoops - link removed by author and the Developers forum
(I haven't really registered and checked it out - but if you go into the archive subforum you can get a pretty good idea what's going on in there)

[Bruell]

The game crafters of today are all millionaires and dont want to be bothered with player questions and support issues.
So you get the third party game Managers Like origin steam gamers first gamespy ... They take care of the customers by not allowing us contact with the creators of the game. This way if any thing is wrong they are insulated from our sharp tongues.The sitiuation should be completely reversed .Well if you imagine 50-100000 suport tickets for the same issue its maddening.
A grass root effort to break these managers would require wide spread effort to boycot them. Most game published today are of the publish it patch it later variety, so they hype this game to the stars to get us to purchase at release. the joke is on us! Revolt!

One would only hope the developers would read through the forums once in a while just out of curiosity?

[Nisarg]

One would only hope the developers would read through the forums once in a while just out of curiosity?

Actually, I think they do. I'm talking of PB. Apparently they even visit WoG once in a while.

Apart from that, there are several developers who do have a presence in the Forums. We have Larian at their forums, BioWare at theirs, CDPR at theirs, etc.