[Bowman]

A post by rockfest in another thread has prompted me to make a new thread (most reluctantly) of very contraversial issue to some players . .. but time is running out for the original gothic game and it must be mentioned rather than be kept secret.

(Re: "Yeahh..right....everything is possible you know....let's ask PB about his...maybe they'll cast a light on this subject......)

PB have already answered this to some degree - the answer to many forum questions about the "motivation" of the gods (not really "war" of the gods) do not get answered correctly because they are not recognised, no-one has ever found the answer because it is hidden deep (but can be found!) in the original international game of gothic.
This caused a somewhat irate reaction or disappointment to the gamewriters, they appeared concerned that no-body found the truth about the "holy foe" - - so now it will be a great priority in G3 as "the core topic" to emphasize or go-over once more, the whole issue that was missed. This could mean that some players may replay the original gothic game again to find the answer but i doubt it, as the brilliant gothic game has fastly faded to superceding gothic titles.
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Here is a extract from Kairo's (PB) answers about G3.

Published April 29, 2004.

World of Gothic: After the release of Gothic II, some people critizied the main story of the game, which followed the often used principle of a chosen one who stands between good and evil gods. This was not so emphasized in Gothic I, where a chosen one was merely mentioned, but that aspect was in the background. In Gothic II, you are confronted with this fact from the very beginning on, as only Innos' Chosen One can wear the amulet and it was clear, that this choosen one is the player. Two questions: Will Gothic III further develop this principle or can we expect unexpected twists and turns in the plot? If no, will there be clarificaton about the motivation of the 'bad' side? For example, we didn't get, why the dragons wanted to destroy anything.


KaiRo: "Clarification about the motivation of the gods" - well said - is the core topic of Gothic III. What is the war of the gods about? What's the whole shit about anyway? Of course, mundane things are in the foreground, as the orc invasion. There will be twists in the plot. By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...
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...........and so it transpired that playing the game of gothic in a particular way, can make Xardas reveal more extra hidden dialogue that contained the answers that we seek and are vague to us all, and that no player has yet found . . . . . . except for one person. ? ? ?

[WernerTWC]

...........and so it transpired that playing the game of gothic in a particular way, can make Xardas reveal more extra hidden dialogue that contained the answers that we seek and are vague to us all, and that no player has yet found . . . . . . except for one person. ? ? ?

Sorry, maybe i´m too tired, but what do you want to tell us?

If i understand you the right way, the question is:
"Is there a special way to play G1 that forces Xardas to come along with new dialogues?"
If this is the question, i can tell you: No! There are no hidden Xardas-dialogues.

[eXecutioner]

Well I think I had listened all of Xardas's available dialogues and none tell about the things you tell Bowman [did you know Bowman is a caracter in Septera Core ]. Please enlighten us and tell us about what should we pay attention.

[Bowman]

@WernerTWC, sorry if you were tired and i wakened you.
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Re quote: "If i understand you the right way, the question is:
"Is there a special way to play G1 that forces Xardas to come along with new dialogues?"
If this is the question, i can tell you: No! There are no hidden Xardas-dialogues.
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No it wasn't a question, it was a statement - "there is extra dialogue with Xardas" the game must have the patch with "der fremde" (the stranger) to enable this hidden dialogue and extra quest but i'm not sure how it is enabled, that is the puzzle which is set by "the riddler"

@eXecutioner_id
It would take some time to compose all the info's, but i could make a cut-down version if you wish to read it ? - - after playing and searching for 4 years, i will soon put the game away for good, but for a short while i will try to help any player who wishes for more info' before the quest is lost from keen gothic fanatics forever.

[rockfest]

By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...

I think that you are right about this...but you're wrong about when these dialogues do happen. It may be that Xardas never had the intetion of telling us the all shit...you have to think that he is the one who tells the story...so he already knows what will happen. *I discused on another thread (the topic was something about killing xardas) that it's impossible to kill xardas because he his the story teller...but i think that it's possible that he tells the story while he his dying(alot of movies and other games uses this technique), something like...the last year/years passes through his eyes. * Remember that xardas always kept secrets from the hero(in g1 and g2)....I think that the story will be revealed to us by him...*at the ending movie or something(this is a guess)*. It's my opinion and i think it's a pretty good one.

[Bowman]

That's right rockfest, Xardas cannot be killed and that isn't what i meant. Xardas has extra hidden dialogue which has to be "enticed" or "coaxed" from him. If it can be enabled by playing gothic in a special way, then Xardas would tell of the extra info' which he is holding back, he knows more. The game trigger from that point onward would enable the "true" chromanin quest, instead of finding the corpse after reading the last book you would find no corpse, instead further into the fog-tower passages you would find the old man chromanin, it was he who wrote all the six books. He would give an extra quest involving demons and the ability to transform into demons.Also from that point many strange visions would appear in the game "Chromanins visions have opened my eyes" (book 2).

To understand the special way of playing, the player must be non-agressive, of holy intent, thoughtful in dialogue choice, un-selfish and similar virtues, pc-hero (you) are the "holy foe" and you must motivate the gods by showing some holyness - it is this which isn't realised by gothic players, hard to achieve but possible, . . how do i know this? . . . there is much more to tell.

If any player has found a no-corpse situation after reading the last book, please contact me as soon as possible for instructions of what then to do. This is vital for the whole gothic community.

[-Jaden-]

This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists? Maybe it's only in German version? Like the thing with Fisk, was only in German version (that he ordered you to get himself a new fence, after killing Mordrag.)

[Godcrusher]

This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists? Maybe it's only in German version? Like the thing with Fisk, was only in German version (that he ordered you to get himself a new fence, after killing Mordrag.)

yeah i tryed that thing for so many times but nothing happend. So this is also in German only? And why are german and english version so different?

[-Jaden-]

http://forum.jowood.com/archive/index.php/t-26239.html

Look these posts. omg.. i can't believe this.. if it's really true then..

Link to a group, called "Chromanin Seekers"
http://www.rpgdot.com/phpBB2/groupcp.php?g=13420&

I just installed G1. I will join Sects because they look like true believers. Or Fire Mages???

wolverine_men said in RPGdot. >>MIGHT BE SPOILER<<

Spoiler:(zum lesen bitte Text markieren)

After collecting all the books I went back to the tower. I looked around in there for nearly four hours and finally managed to locate the entrance to a small tunnel. The tunnel opened up in a large hall where an old man stood reading from one of those large tomes. He was the man who had written all the books. He had an interesting story to tell which involved embarking up[on a side quest. If you manage to solve the quest, you will receive a major bonus in skill points and a couple of cool runes and scrolls. Including one that can turn you into a demon lord.

[WernerTWC]

This kind of thing really exists?? We would like to get a little confirmation, that it is true. Anyone here, who thinks, that this kind of thing really exists?

No, i don´t think that this is true.

Imo this is only a bad-kids-joke (not made by Bowman). I mean, think of the Modders, when you mod G1, then you would see that there is no extra tunnel, no extra xardas-speech-files,... nothing that makes me believe this.

Guys trying for years to do this?... and not ONE screen or something like that,... that cannot be.
Or are out there any, maybe only ONE little evidence???

Edit: Maybe just one person get something upside down, cause there is a Mod in work that is called "Chromanin-The Legends of Moria".
http://gmod.igaraz.de/

[-Jaden-]

I watched that thread in RPGdot. Now I don't believe it too. At first it was said to be in any version of Gothic. When fans tried everything, then suddenly it is only accessable only with German version of Gothic and with some 1.08h patch. Why they want everyone to believe this? Stupid thing.

[rockfest]

I can't believe this...it's virtualy impossible...I know what a script means(I have some knowledge of programming) and to be able to check if the hero has done something like no crime, or cheated or...etc needs a script that can't be hidden. If I were to get all the scripts from the game(i don't have that program to do it) i would study every line and a script like that can't be hidden. We aren't talking of "if the hero done that then he will be granted to speak with the old man" we are talking about a script wich tells the reader exactly what the game does and checks....Sorry Bowman...how long ago did PB released the game? How many programers have studied the scripts and every bit of information about gothic? Cut us some slack, i for one don't believe in green horses on the wall...and i don't think anybody on this forum does to...ask any programer about what have i said. And if you know those " chromanian seekers" tell them to hire a programer to study the game...it would take a day or two...not 4-5 years of trying combination of how the player should behave himself...and another thing...the guy is in a freakin penal colony(how good can he behave?).

[Bowman]

You guys are giving good feedback info' - thanks

@-Jaden-,
The thing with Fisk ~is~ in the 1.08j international version.
The stranger quest was added to and released with this version.
Any version of gothic with the stranger patch can achieve this quest.
The quest was not in the original german version.
Wulverine_men may well be a disguised PB dev'
"Chromanin-The Legends of Moria" is a mod and has nothing
to do with this quest.
I agree that the difference between english and german versions
may be important to this quest.

@rockfest,
so-called experts have tried with the scripts and failed.
There is no evidence available of any kind.
It is a very deep in-game riddle, it is said that it can be solved
using reason and logic.
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1. You must join the old camp only.
2. You must do no quests whatsoever for the baals in sect camp
or merc's or rogues in new camp, this ensures pc-hero's alegiance
to Adannos and must not deviate, he is being watched.
3. You must not use any violence for the majority of quests.
4. You must not complete old camp quests for characters who
you think their motives are "questionable"
5. The way you hunt is very crucial to this quest, this is open to
interpretation, possibly connected to the re-spawn factor - but not sure?
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I have only raised this topic on 'WorldofPlayers' because there are some
good guys here who are friendly and helpful.

How could the dev's be contacted? - would they give out info'?
I think they should because the game is getting old now and well
passed it's peak without the true quest being solved.
They have nothing to loose by telling us, and G3 will be here soon.

[-Jaden-]

I'm still not sure
If there was just A SINGLE SCREENSHOT, to prove this. There are no evidences.. I'd like to believe, but.. I even started a new game and plan to join the Fire Mages, since they seem to be an excellent choice for that quest.. The way they live etc..

MORE EVIDENCE!!..

and one more question.. does this 1.08j patch add "The Stranger" quest OR it adds things to that quest? (..like the one we are talking about)

I have 1.08k version and The Stranger quest exists..

Sowilo, is kind of all-knowing guy.. you know anything about this??

[WernerTWC]

Sowilo, is kind of all-knowing guy.. you know anything about this??

Just a little hint, write him a PM. Quote your question.
For me, it´s interesting topic, too,.. but i think,... no way!. Just impossible!

Edit:
For me it sounds like the Naked-Tomb-Rider-Cheat on the PS1, it was you must enter menu, hit triangle, triangle, square, square, star ,triangle.

[Bowman]

Yes -Jaden-,

your 1.08k will be o.k for the quest. You have my word the quest is true, yet that means nothing, it is very hard to believe without evidence.

[rockfest]

You are really unbeliavable...I' m sorry, I have nothing with you, you seem like a good guy and this would be a reason not to post in this thread anymore but your last post really determined me to do this again...
Ok. Let's say that you're right and there is a special room or something where you can meet. Let's say that you're right about the scripts. An example of the possible script could sound like this(i'll tell it in the english way so everyone can understand)
- you have quests that determine if you can meet the old man, even "the way you hunt"(gees, i can't believe i agree with this).
- the simplest way to do it would be to some *testers(don't know how to say them in english, anyway they're just variables wich in any case can be seen, there's no way you can "hide" them) that would establish at the end of the chromanian if he is worthy.
- at that moment, if all the *testers are true then he could see the old man.
The only thing at this story is that someone would see the *testers and the condition. And don't tell me about "the so called specialist". There are a lot of good guys at what they're doing out there and made some pretty good mods for us.

That been said...let's say that the testers and the condition was carefully "hidden". The "only" problems remain :
- where in the name of beliar is that npc putted(in recycle bin and when he is needed the game engine extracts him?)
- where are the dialogues that you have with him, where is the journal entry...These can't all be hidden. Now this is quite impossible.
Thus beeing said...this is my last post in this thread(you go and search for you're green horses and hope than in one day the guys at PB will say : you really believed that?). I have better things to do with my time than searching for a quest that PB would have said something about it by now. Don't get my wrong, i like the ideea and if somehow this will turn out to be true , my deepest apologies.
PS : About that thread on jowood forum...do you really think that someone couldn't just invent it just to create "panic" in the gothic world and then others smartasses told the story and so on and son...

[WernerTWC]

Yes -Jaden-,

your 1.08k will be o.k for the quest. You have my word the quest is true, yet that means nothing, it is very hard to believe without evidence.

Why do you belief such things?
Have you thought about the possibility that what you heard was only kiddin´ shit???
Sorry,bowman, as it was said above, you seem like "a good guy", for me also, but i think you belived the wrong person in this case.
And don´t take this personal, but without any evidance, i don´t belief that!

[rekinu]

I heard this story this year in feb, on Jowood. What are you trying to do is impossible. PB aren't gods to make such a complex game, with a ridle that sounds impossible, and only ONE who believes can solve it. this sounds like matrix.

--By the way, did noone ever come to think of Xardas eventually holding back information? (We do not want to use the word "lies' here...--

Have you ever taught that Kai, reffered at the story of G3, when he said that Xardas holds infos for himself.... he is saying this while he is talking about G3 story, and it has no conection with G1, and it isn't meant to be a ridle...

Don't take it personally Bowman, for me you are a great guy, I admire your spirit of investigation, we talked about Lord of Tyimorisin, about those flaming arrows, about alot of interesting things, and I noticed that you really like to investigate just like me, but If you tried for so long to find out if this thing is true and you did not make it, then its impossible...

[Dez]

"The chronomanin found" thread on rpgdot forums was just loads of bullshit, which some people took it like it was real. It was fun to observe for a while, but as i said when some just couldn't belive that the stranger just wasn't there.No matter the amount of evidence, which talked against their belives.Some former developer even confirmed that this true chronomanin was a hoax.Still even then some of the forum members couldn't take the man's word because he was an ex-dev.I belive it is still going on.Those stubborn moles even formed a forum group called chronomanin seekers and have a private forum.The whole thing is quite absurb and sad imo...