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Archibal
01.09.2005, 15:40
In the new-coming Gothic 3 you have the oportunity to join the forces of Beliar.Will you join Beliar, kill the king and conquer the kindom or will you fight in the name of Innos?
In chapter 5 if you go to the profecy-guy he will tell you that the king will LOSE the war against the orcs and when you will retourn you won't find peace.
So?How do you guys think that will war?Beliar or Innos?
--Everithing must have a ending--
Personaly I think that Beliar will win the war, but Innos's soldiers will rise once again and deafeat Beliar once and for all! §burn
That is not correct. U can cooperate with the orc. But not cause u want to became a servant of Beliar. The orcs hope that u will liberate them from there addiction to Beliar.
Actually,I think that Adanos should do smth. against this war.
well... for the first time i'll play the game with Innos... and then i,ll try with the orcs :D
and...
Originally posted by sowillo
The orcs hope that u will liberate them from there addiction to Beliar.
does that mean that the orcs want to get rid of Beliar :confused: ...i mean they are just slaves ...they dont like their god :confused:
Archibal
01.09.2005, 16:08
Beliar is the Orc's only GOD.They serve and obey!They went to the mining colony( in gothic 2) at the orders of the dragons(and the dragons got there orders from Beliar).
The orcs are and will remain servants of Beliar!
I say that the orcs would be better on their own. :A
does that mean that the orcs want to get rid of Beliar :confused: ...i mean they are just slaves ...they dont like their god :confused:
Yes. In Gothic 1 Ur Shak tell u that the orc prophets say, that a "Holy Enemy" (the hero) will kill the sleeper so that the orcs became free and don't have to do what Beliar want. It looks like there r similar "stories" about an human hero at the mainland. No one know who is the "natural" god of the orcs. We only know, that the orcs in Khorinis were forced to fellow Beliar (by teh sleeper) cause they fear him.
Archibal
01.09.2005, 16:25
An army of seekers (Night of The Raven) can easily destroy an orc army.Let's not say about the undead (skeletons, zombies) and all the other evil creatures that serve Beliar.
Vatras: There are few that follow the call of Beliar but to those he gives great power --- maybe the orcs are corupted by Beliar's power (and that power consumes them and bound's them to Beliar).
If Beliar would lose his power the orcs would be History §burn §burn .
Archibal
01.09.2005, 16:27
Sowilo if that is so why are the Orcs in Gothic 2 work for the Undead Drgaon and the other dragons.Let's not forget about the Lizzard Men (who also work for the dragons).
Cause the undead dragon and the sleeper is the same "person".
Archibal
01.09.2005, 16:35
And what stops that "person" to take control over Xardas?Or over another Evil-borne creature?
And what stops that "person" to take control over Xardas?Or over another Evil-borne creature?
U mean cause "that person" is now a part of Xardas? We don't know. We will see in G³ if Xardas became a 2nd Diablo 2 stranger or not. An other theory ist, that Xardas got only the power of "this person" and left the soul in the soulstone which u find next to teh dead undead dragon^^.
Archibal
01.09.2005, 17:29
I can't wait for Gothic 3 for long §gnah
Back to my question.In Gothic 3 will you join Innos or Beliar?
Imho there is no way to join Beliar. U can fight Beliar with the humans or with the orcs.
Archibal
01.09.2005, 17:32
Corection: will you join the orcs or the hummans?
:D
First time I will join the humans. Maybe the third time I will tink about join the orcs.
Maybe hero has this soul stone with him in G3. It could be powerful item and evil ones try to get it.
I'm gonna join the humans, and after I played it one more time (with the 2nd end) I will play helping the orcs, and finish it with the 3rd ending..
about the orc thingy, they said that there won't be chapters and there will be the posibility to not join a guild, so you may do as you please as in help the orcs be free again from the possesion of Beliar. BTW, Beliar will never lose he's powers or be defeated because without him there won't be a Innos, as in no WORLD....
xardas isn't a Belair chosen, he just learned about Beliar, he learned he's magic, he learned that he (Beliar) has avatars and as Vatras said he gives the ones who follow him alot of power. So he just waited the right moment to "catch" one avatar of Beliar, someone to kill it and for him to take the powers.with Sleeper didn't went right, so with undead dragon was perfect. now he has alot of powers, but he isn't affraid of Belair because he knows that now he can defeat every avatar taht B. might send after him, and he is alos old, so he has nothing to lose anymore, because he fullfiled he's destiny, be a servant of Innos, have alot of powers.....
Originally posted by rekinu
xardas isn't a Belair chosen, he just learned about Beliar, he learned he's magic, he learned that he (Beliar) has avatars and as Vatras said he gives the ones who follow him alot of power. So he just waited the right moment to "catch" one avatar of Beliar, someone to kill it and for him to take the powers.with Sleeper didn't went right, so with undead dragon was perfect. now he has alot of powers, but he isn't affraid of Belair because he knows that now he can defeat every avatar taht B. might send after him, and he is alos old, so he has nothing to lose anymore, because he fullfiled he's destiny, be a servant of Innos, have alot of powers.....
i "veeeeeeeeeeery" agree with you rekinu :D
i like xardas... i mean i want him as a good guy in g3 :D
i dont want to fight him or sht like that :( he is like my father as godcrusher said :D
Godcrusher
01.09.2005, 19:25
whell if that whoud be true i whoud fight for Beliar no dought. But as is was said before adanos will probably do something against the war
Archibal
01.09.2005, 19:32
I don't whant to kill Xardas, If i could I would join him!That would be something!!! :D
Archibal
01.09.2005, 20:49
Me and Godcrusher will be on the winning side :D
Godcrusher
01.09.2005, 20:57
Me and Godcrusher will be on the winning side :D
aye. I always win no matter the side ;) :D
@Archibal
Do not double post! Instead of it, you might want to use "Edit".
DarkGizmo
01.09.2005, 23:55
How could you join Beliar who wants to destroy the creation of the others gods, including humans, including hero...
Anyway I would like to kill Xardas, that good for nothings used the hero, he's greedy, he doesn't care at all for you, well he did a bit but only for his greed.
He found out about the spleeper and some time later, hero comes.
He knows that he couldn't destroy the sleeper because
He though he wasn't strong enough (I doubt that though)
He knew that fighting the Sleeper would drain him of his power and wouldn't be able to drain his power later
So he test you, then he knows you,kre the chosen one and try to use you.<
but instead of killing the sleeper you banned him (This must have been Xardas §burn ) He must have faked his "sleep state" (or something Gothic is kind of blurry for me, that's why I'm replaying it) and then he saw what you did he was like "F*ck him I'm going home".
Then 13 days later he learns about dragons and was like "Sh*t I should have kept him and try to teleport him anyway since you had the armor.
He succeed and then use you but know he plan it way better and the circomstance and in his favor.
HE USED YOU THE WHOLE TIME! He seemed still "friendly" at the end, I bet he's driving into madness and he feels invincible and it was his way to show he's not afraid of the "chosen one".
KILL HIM!
DeadlyArrow
02.09.2005, 11:41
Yeah, Xardas used you, but it not his guilt, it's yours - don't be such a fool to believe black mage's words :D But, well, after killing undead dragon, you have some gold, just like a reward. Xadas could use you and then kill (it would be simple, coz you think he's your friend). But no, he let you to have gold and a ship, and he told you all the story, so i think he deserves another chance :D
Archibal
02.09.2005, 12:10
Yep, he could have killed you...think he want's you to go to the mainland. :D
DeadlyArrow
02.09.2005, 12:17
Yep, he could have killed you...think he want's you to go to the mainland. :D
...and work for him again :D NO WAY!!!
Archibal
02.09.2005, 12:41
Yes but in g1 and G2 by helping him you helpt yourself. :D
Colonelu
06.09.2005, 13:57
I think that Adanos will be more important in g3 than in g2 because he keeps the peace between the other two gods ;) so it is not important who do you chose (humans or orcs) i think the ending will be the best for the hero ;)
well, you will get smacked by adanos fury if you will help innos or beliar get what they want....
ElieTheGreat
06.09.2005, 15:20
i "veeeeeeeeeeery" agree with you rekinu :D
i like xardas... i mean i want him as a good guy in g3 :D
i dont want to fight him or sht like that :( he is like my father as godcrusher said :D
Oh come on guys you both are so wrong... I love Xardas and I have his protrait on my destop, but you have to face reality and stop making up silly stories, Xardas BECAME the chosen of beliar, we don't know if he likes the hero as a son, or if the hero isn't but a tool to get to what he wants, B4 they asked PB about Xardas, I was right by writing what I wrote in Xardas' Career Thread, and I still Stand that, that is what is going to happen for sure, and it's gonna be both a SAD and happy ending.
Innos' Chosens are the Humans as a Kind, Pladins as his Warriors, Mages as his direct Servents, and THE HERO as a person.
Beliar's Chosens are the Orcs as a kind, Shamans (who made the Sleeper)
as his direct servents and his specific chosen Was The Sleeper, then The Unnamed Undead Dragon, Then Xardas.
AS I SAID, in the Xardas CAreer thread and I Advise you Revise that,
IF YOU REALISE, at the end of each Gothic THE CHOSEN "ONE" of one of the Gods have to die, so if the player (no matter if u serve Beliar in G3 you will still be the Chosen of innos and then Innos will surely fail without a chosen)
Soooo if the player Fails Beliar Wins and if the player wins, "Wins" as in Kills the Chosen of Beliar as he did at the end of each Gothic Game, Beliar would loose.
In Reality, A human serving Beliar is just like Satanism, Which is Following something that finds no better pleasure than to get rid of you. It's So very Smart... :rolleyes: "Oh I wanna worship you, I love you SOooo much even Though i'm the most hated person on your list and your soul perpos of life is to vanish me out of the course of existence... oh and by the way about that enemy of yours who Brought me into this world and loved me more than anything in the universe, OH JUST forget about him, I'll get rid of him soon, "
DeadlyArrow
06.09.2005, 15:42
@Elie
I think you're right that Xardas don't love hero as his son :D
We diskussed this in "Weird satanic pic" thread, but I'll repeat Beliar is not equal to Satan! :p
Two gods: if Beliar wins, rivers of blood will flow and pain and sorrow will have no end; if Innos wins, it will be no more freedom for people, and everyone will know his place, and live in peace, and pray for death.
Beliar - worldwide anarchy, Innos - lost of freedom, only in equilibrium is the right way.
It was somewhere in Gothic (i guess something like that tells Vatras if you ask him about gods).
ElieTheGreat
06.09.2005, 17:40
I know Satan is Eviler and is a fallen Angel not a God , that's the difference oh and I just think that Vatras is saying that because he's a servant of Adanos who doesn't want any1 to win, so he scares us so that no1 will win ...
And i didn't say that XArdas doesn't love the Hero as his son ... I want the story to be like that, but pb MIGHT make it otherwise that's why I said " OR Xardas didn't like the hero as his son in the first place "
Godcrusher
06.09.2005, 20:24
@Elie
I think you're right that Xardas don't love hero as his son :D
We diskussed this in "Weird satanic pic" thread, but I'll repeat Beliar is not equal to Satan! :p
Two gods: if Beliar wins, rivers of blood will flow and pain and sorrow will have no end; if Innos wins, it will be no more freedom for people, and everyone will know his place, and live in peace, and pray for death.
Beliar - worldwide anarchy, Innos - lost of freedom, only in equilibrium is the right way.
It was somewhere in Gothic (i guess something like that tells Vatras if you ask him about gods).
i agree. But call me cruell and sadistic and all but i still like sorrow and pain more then praying for death. And eventually 'living in peace' whoud just bring another war after some time. So under the banner of darkness we ride againt the light that burns us all ;)
DeadlyArrow
07.09.2005, 14:24
i agree. But call me cruell and sadistic and all but i still like sorrow and pain more then praying for death. And eventually 'living in peace' whoud just bring another war after some time. So under the banner of darkness we ride againt the light that burns us all ;)
You like sorrow and pain for you or for others? I guess, for others, coz you said you are "sadistic", not "mazochistic" :D but if it would be your pain would you still love it?
So I think only right way is to fight for yourself, and don't care about Gods, but I still want to help ppl not orcs, just because I'm human, and I don't want to live with orcs.
Godcrusher
07.09.2005, 15:30
Dosent matter. If i had to pick between good or evil i whoud chose evil. Its better to know that evil will hurt you, not like good where you feel save but suddenly it strikes you.
Thoronador
08.09.2005, 00:56
well, you will get smacked by adanos fury if you will help innos or beliar get what they want....
Really? Innos was a good choice in Gothic1 and Gothic2. And Adanos did not try to harm the hero for being a fire mage ;) So why should Adanos do so in Gothic3?
Instead Adanos would even be thankful for the hero joining Innos' forces, because Adanos wants to keep the balance between good and evil. According to the seer Abuyin in Khorinis and according to other things the war is nearly lost for King Rhobar. So Adanos would be more than pleased if the hero decides to help Innos. ;)
§danke May Innos be with you §danke
DeadlyArrow
08.09.2005, 10:37
Dosent matter. If i had to pick between good or evil i whoud chose evil. Its better to know that evil will hurt you, not like good where you feel save but suddenly it strikes you.
here I agree with you!
That is not correct. U can cooperate with the orc. But not cause u want to became a servant of Beliar. The orcs hope that u will liberate them from there addiction to Beliar.
Where do you got that. Never heared of it.
@ Sowilo: So if you're right (give me the evidence), do you think the 3rd race of Beliar will step in appearance?
@ topic:
Shall the holy flames of Innos incerate Beliar and his servants. (I never really liked Xardars ^^)
Godcrusher
08.09.2005, 17:36
here I agree with you!
seems we agree on a lot of things ;)
DeadlyArrow
09.09.2005, 09:33
seems we agree on a lot of things ;)
right, that's nice:D at least two ppl on this forum agree with each other!
I`ll be with humans for the first time and the second ....but then maybe with orcs! :D
Ill be with Humans first as Zaratul said then ill try the other ones....Ill play the game 30 times for gods sake and then im gona replay all gothics and when i do this aim gona play again....Il try everithing at G3.....and with the will of Innos maybe well have in our hands some day...G4 and even some expansions for G3...if its the will of Innos :D
Godcrusher
09.09.2005, 14:37
right, that's nice:D at least two ppl on this forum agree with each other!
yes indeed. :D
And i whoud probably go with the orcs first. I wanna kill that bloody king and ware his armour. Then i whoud slaught the rebels and pay mercenaries to work for me. I whoud also rise the necromancer order who whoud kill fires.
But I think that i woun`t kill king Rhobar II! I don`t dislike him actualy! but that`s my opinion!
wait a minute...:D
who said that you can or have to kill Rhobar? ... this idea came when you said that helping the orcs mean you work for beliar and have to kill all humans...
PB, said that you can "help" the orcs doing sth for them, maybe eliberate them from Beliars rage, and thus they will see you as a savior. that doesn't mean you will be Beliars avatar, or that you have to kill all human kind or sth like that.....( :p ).....
Godcrusher
09.09.2005, 16:21
i dont wanna be beliars avatar but i whoud really like to kill the king.
@Godcrusher
Why do U hate that sick old bastard (Rhobar II ) so much? :confused:
I just some kind of disliked him for making VoM and throwing everybody inside there but I`d maybe make biger use of him if he`s alive! Like U know saving from dragons and other staff -->>> he would pay me alot alot alot of gold!!! :D
Godcrusher
09.09.2005, 18:23
He trown thousands of prisoners to dug mine imprisoning them with barrier.He also belived his advisors that Lee is guilty. So off with his head!
Originally posted by godcrusher
He trown thousands of prisoners to dug mine imprisoning them with barrier.He also belived his advisors that Lee is guilty. So off with his head!
yeah you are right... my friend lee hates him then i hate him §burn ... i want his head §burn i and lee will KILL him §burn §burn §burn and now a little smile :) :D
yeah you are right... my friend lee hates him then i hate him §burn ... i want his head §burn i and lee will KILL him §burn §burn §burn and now a little smile :) :D
Corection! Lee doesn`t hate Rhobar II ! He says that king`s nobels used kings wife to get rid of Lee! He hats kings nobels not king! (We already talked about this in other thread)
yes Zaratul is very right.... why do you let yourself guided by some ideas and end up thinking a different way. Lee said that the King knew that he was innocent, but he had no one to blame except him (false proofs) so he had to send him in colony. Lee doesn't hate the king, and I don't hate the king either. He is a desperate man, who wants to win a damn war... what would you have done if you were in he's situation ?....
DON'T REPLY HERE because it is SPAM, reply in G3 DIsscusion thread...Especially you Crusher, coz you hate Rhobar so much without solid motives....;)
yes Zaratul is very right.... why do you let yourself guided by some ideas and end up thinking a different way. Lee said that the King knew that he was innocent, but he had no one to blame except him (false proofs) so he had to send him in colony. Lee doesn't hate the king, and I don't hate the king either. He is a desperate man, who wants to win a damn war... what would you have done if you were in he's situation ?....
Finally someone shares my attitude. The guys in the german part only want the king's death and are willing to help Lee killing him, even though it was never his intention. *~*'
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