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What do u want to know in G³?
- I want to know why the dragons r servants of Beliar. I believe that they r natural neutral and r forced to do what Beliar want.
I think (according to eastern mythology) that they have "soulstones" which Beliar stole. So he can control them. After we killed the dragons the souls r still trapped in a Beliar artefact and in G³ we can liberate them.
I would like to see sth like this in Gothic³.
well, i'm interested in the motive why hero was thrown, and the cell where he was kept in the dark for two months....and alot more...
about the dragons, i think you maybe right but think about the gothic mythology : they are minions of Beliar, they are like the generals. I think Beliar created them.
But you maybe right, the dragons might be like the seekers. I mean Beliar hypnotized the novices from swamp, and made them he's...maybe thats what he did with the dragons as you said.
*or he buyied some eggs from east (china or japan) , cast some spells on them they became evil, and the little dragons that came out grew up and they wore like his(Beliars) childrens....*
Beliar can't create creatures in the world of Adanos. He can only make demons in his space and transfer them by servants into the world of Adanos.
So there is the question if the dragons r demons which Beliar created or "animals" which r part of the world of Adanos. Cause they have eggs, blood and hearts I think that the 2nd matchs.
WernerTWC
19.07.2005, 18:15
What do u want to know in G³?
- I want to know why the dragons r servants of Beliar. I believe that they r natural neutral and r forced to do what Beliar want.
I think (according to eastern mythology) that they have "soulstones" which Beliar stole. So he can control them. After we killed the dragons the souls r still trapped in a Beliar artefact and in G³ we can liberate them.
I would like to see sth like this in Gothic³.
Well, sounds like a great idea!^^
I would like to also throw the idea with the rewards for free their souls in this round.
I can imagine a really great spell as a reward, depending on you magicskills you can raise its power, so its not to early in the game a too strong spell.
Not really like the summons from FF, but also with great visual-show-effects.
Or can you imagine to summon dragons ghosts in G3????
I think a spell which calls dragon souls would be a little bit strange. I would like to see sth like a reward too but I have no idea which kind of reward.
yes, and WHO will give you the reward? The DEAD DRAGON ? HE's soul ? from where a soul could have a scroll, or some kind of reward? I think, that if you free he's soul, he could show he's gratitude by entering in you, and give you mana, or sth like this, like strenght, or fire protection ... (like Xardas used the Undead dragons soul.)
I thought at increasing attributs first too but imho its a little bit "simple" for an artefact like this. Maybe there could be pearls in the stones, green, red, white and blue. A magician can use them to build runes and a fighter to modifate ur weapon with it.
WernerTWC
19.07.2005, 21:12
I think, that if you free he's soul, he could show he's gratitude by entering in you, and give you mana, or sth like this, like strenght, or fire protection ... (like Xardas used the Undead dragons soul.)
He´s entering in you,... mhhh,... a possible way, but i don´t like it that much.
And it must be some special rewards, not only mana, streght or sth like that. New Abilities maybe, ??? i also don´t know what kind of reward could be a good one, i´m still thinking about that.
Maybe you must made dragon souls your own slaves, to become god-king of the orcs?!?!
You can controll the orcs with the might of the dragons.
Too bad, somewhere i have read about that there will be no dragons in G3!^^ ... but a dragon-soul is not a "real-living" dragon! *g*
i think in g3 would be breat if player could make souls free from beliar and help king get rid of orks , imena so if i complete one end of game i could complete second , like i mak souls free and help orks get king in thier arms =D , hehe how u think ? :D :D
You mean finishing the game 2 times, playing with humans, and then with the orcs ? yes, I'll play G3 for how many times its needed so I go trough all situations, all fractions, of course ally with orcs too...:D but first i'll play with rhobar aside....I like the official guild more like paladin, militia, guard :D...
and they said that there will be 3 different endings... kewl...:D
as for the dragons, I think that they are forced to work for Beliar. think about the last dialog between hero and undead dragon...;)
An other mystery.
- The tears of Innos. I would like to the the place where they r from. In think it could be a dungeon. In the wall u see holes where someone broke sth out. At a few places which u can't reach easy u can see lighten stones in these holes. There r luminescent hollow transparent gemstones which r filled with Innos tears.
well that's interesting, but it also can look like a small small river that came from solid rock, and over it it was build a little fountain with roof... and it is hard to collect them because the river is so slow... and you would have to stay like 2 hours for the bottle to fill. and others will stay in line. and probably this little fountain will be near a village, in middle of nowhere, and the people from the village often come here to get the tears because it helps them (their health). and so that this is a good ideea, a half kilometer from the fountain it will be a monastery of Innos, so that the FM will look after the fountain.
*the legend: a great FM, faught with a powerfull seeker, and after defeated the seeker he was cursed.he had to stay in bed alot of time because he was ill.a novice prayed for the FM, and Innos send a thunder in that rock and water camed out...the novice was very surprised, thanked to Innos, and took some water to the FM, and the FM was as new....*
this is a long post ... sorry, hope you will read it...:D
ive got one queston ,maybe its not in this theme but why xardas toook all evilfrom th undead dragon ? maybe all this g1 and g2 hxardas was making u ready for something? maybe xardas is beliar? :eek: :confused: :confused: §gnah
rekinu , how i remember that human or crature who drinks the tears of innos will die , only magican of fire can do that. isnt it? §cry
rekinu , how i remember that human or crature who drinks the tears of innos will die , only magican of fire can do that. isnt it? §cry
I thought exactly the same as I read the text of rekinu :D
Cause ur question. If u "use" the dead undead dragon^^ u will find a soulstone. I think Xardas only get the power of the dragon but left his evil soul in the soulstone.
I think we will have a problem in G³ cause we have the task to return the power of Beliar in his world. But Xardas has the power. So we would have the task to kill Xardas so that the Power of the dragon can return in the world of Beliar.
ya maybe youre right , but maybe xardas was helping the hero do all this to get dragon soul or what that was, how u think?
The question is what is the aim of Xardas.
We now that he noiticed that strong servants of Beliar r on the way to the mine valley.
He thought that these creatures want to get the magic ore. He knew that he is running out of time and need more time to prepare a fight against these creatures.
So he decided to create the magic barrier. This way he wanted to get enough time to get a strong armee which he can support fighting these beasts.
But he didn't know anyting about the sleeper. As he created the magic barrier the border of the barriere was inside the body of the sleeper. He didn't want to die so that increased the barriere to have a little bit of space between the barrier and his body.
Cause this Xardas lost the control over the barrier and wasn't able anymore to destroy the barrier when his force is strong enough to fight the beasts.
So he had to study why he lost the control over the barrier.
Through the sect camp he discovered the sleeper and know that he has to kill this creature to destroy the barrier.
During he studied the sleeper he found out that the sleeper is the avatar of Beliar.
So he thought that after the sleeper is killed by the hero the beasts (the reason for the barrier) will be nor problem for this hero.
Xardas wanted to get the power of the sleeper/Beliar avatar so that Beliar can't send the power back with a new body.
We killed the sleeper and destroyed the barrier. But Xardas failed he couldn't get the power of the sleeper. And the hero was buried under the ruins of the temple.
So Xardas had no armee and no hero to prevent the beasts, the dragons, from attacking the mine colony.
As Xardas rescued us we had to kill the beasts/dragons which were the reason for creating the barrier.
But the sleeper wasn't banned like Xardas thought. At the beginning of G2 Xardas said that the master dragon is in the colonie. This is wrong. Xardas didn't know that the Beliar Avatar returned or never left our world. He only changed the body. The undead dragon was now the Beliar Avatar. Beliar know nothin about him cause he didn't exists before the sleeper died.
So we got again the task to kill the Beliar Avatar. We did it and this time Xardas was succesfull. He got the power of the dragon so that Beliar can't send the power back with a new body.
Xardas isn't "infected" by the power cause the soul of the Beliar Avatar is in the soulstone which u find next to the dead undead dragon.
Xardas first aim was to kill the dragons. To get more time to be prepared to fight them he created teh magic barriere.
Xardas second aim was to stole the power of the Beliar Avatar after he discovered that sleeper and noiticed that he is the Beliar Avatar. The first try (sleeper) failed but the 2nd was succesfull (undead dragon).
What he want to do now is unknown.
oh.. thats why he told " ive belive belair so much as you beliave innos", thanks i dindt thout it like that , i think the world of gohtic is secret filled ;)
Its just one of my theories^^.
hey guys please help me , i know im big lol but how i can psot new threads ,i dont understand german maybe if tell but read no ;) :confused: §cry :D
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i like your theories, sowilo! now i know that xardas isn't somekind of power-hungry sorcerer, who used dragon soul to make himself stronger, but to keep a Beliar avatar's not coming into this world. this all sounds logical too.. that thing with soulstone and so on..
Godcrusher
22.07.2005, 14:54
great sowilo.
first the dragons
I think that Beliar made some sort of bargain with them. If they whoud kill the only one that choud threadend them (hero) they whoud got Earth and people who can then torment. Ofcourse all that under Beliars rule cuz he is a god and i think that drgagons fear him.
then the tears
I think after the wars with paladins and beliars's temples innos (or some under his guidnace) hide the tears that were later found by Xardas.
- K, that a ideologic question. I think the dragons r natural good and r forced by Beliar to fight against the humans.
- You think Innos left a bottle of his tears? I think there must be a natural source. Water in a river or water in a dungeon.
In europe, dragons are considered to be hellish evil creatures, but in east they are good. And in east, they look a little different too. But the dragons in G2 look more like europe dragons. So, i think they were a little evil.
A splendid thread!
What i'd like to know...
1) why our old fellow was thrown inside the barrier.what kind of person he was before.Could he have any friends in the mainland who are able to remember him.
Why he does not remember his past.I've given a lot thought to this.Here is my solution.Maybe the mages had casted some sort oif VERY powerfull oblivion-type spell on him.Maybe the fact he does not remember anything is part of his punishment.
2) The tears of innos are actually the tears of god Innos.Atleast that is what pyrokar told.I doubt that they actually exist anywhere else than in a potion form.The idea that you could find a river of these tears is not very beliveable.
3)Finally i'd like to know more about the transformation magic.Have you guys ever wondered why this magic is only available as scrolls? Why can't we get any transformation runes.
From Gothic 1 gorn told us about some monks who lived in the abadoned monestary.These fellows knew and conjured this magic
Originally Posted by Nutts
rekinu , how i remember that human or crature who drinks the tears of innos will die , only magican of fire can do that. isnt it? §cry
1st of all I feel very silly, because I forgot that thing about the tears of Innos :o :o
2nd about the dragons, I can't tell you much because I can't think of a scenario plausible, for them (and Beliar).
3rd about hero past....I think he remembers it but he has said nothing about it , probably thats why we get the idea that he doesn't remember. I think, that if the mages casted a spell on him (to forget he's past and probably he's crime) he would definitly protest hes throw in the barrier.I mean in the intro movie he looked kinda awake and knowing what he did , and what it would happen to him, and he is kinda angry because he was caught...
I will have to change my old theory about hes past(that he was a thief), and have to say that he probably killed a powerfull influent man, or magician, because (we know him, he is very a fast man in anger) that man got on he's nerves, and for that awfull crime he was kept in dark for two months and then thrown here. I really think that he is from the Southern Islands, because if he was from the mainland he would know about the nordmar , the war against the orcs (on the mainland), the ore and its magical abilities. thats all....for now....hope I got it right, corect me if i missed sth...;) :D
Godcrusher
23.07.2005, 12:26
- K, that a ideologic question. I think the dragons r natural good and r forced by Beliar to fight against the humans.
- You think Innos left a bottle of his tears? I think there must be a natural source. Water in a river or water in a dungeon.
whell i think that tears of innos are actually his tears.A relic of innos, like beliars claw is a relic of beliar.
dragons
i think that dragons are evil and want to destroy the humaity with beliar on their side or not. But if both-dragons and beliar have the same purposes why not working together and achive their goal faster.
rockfest
24.07.2005, 13:12
What about constantino from g2 who always says that will teach you some very powerful alchemy but LATER....when??
Grimmwulf
24.07.2005, 13:45
In Gothic II, how the heck did the focus stone pedestal to the north of the Swampcamp magically teleport over to the tiny bridge place where you found the tome on how to recharge the focus stones earlier? ;)
ThorTheViking
25.07.2005, 00:40
Jaden where is it written that dragons are evil in europe. I know one myself and he is quite friendly. :D No seriusly i prefer european dragons than chinese ones. They look more like snakes with strange faces. European mythology rules. But it is true that dragons mostly seem evil. Because a knight wouldn't be brave in the eyes of the people if he didn't kill the dragon and save a princess. Those are only fairytales. I would prefer a dragon that helps you in g3. I would be your mount. Dragons in g2 (accept for the undead dragon) are evil because they are controled by beliar. But are scavangers or snappers evil too? No they are just gods creatures which see a therat or prey in you.
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DeadlyArrow
25.07.2005, 09:50
I like dragons, and I think in G2 they are evil but I wonder why they wanted to destroy all people civilization? I think it's Beliar's purpose (he hates ppl coz they don't pray for him). And also I wonder why orcs are so bad. I think they could live with ppl in peace.
Godcrusher
25.07.2005, 09:59
Dragons (exept D one) are controlled by D not by Beliar. And D is controlled by Beliar. As D said himself:I am the strongest sourse of Beliars power on Earth...
And thor:
Euro mithology rocks indeed. Even Slovenian gods :D
rockfest
25.07.2005, 10:01
Ok,i see that nobody is answering the "constantino bussines" so i'll give a comment on dragons. Dragons are ancient creatures,they're neutral from any purpose(european ones),but sometimes one of them(thinks he's greater) can raise up against humans.Ussualy they don't give a s**t about us,they're too wise to go in a war.Anyway that's my version.About gothic dragons,if i can remember well,xardas said something like : "And with it's finall scream he said come...and they all came,even dragons",something like that.I don't think that Beliar called them or control them,they heard the call and tought that this is a chance for them to rise up again.The undead one said something of duality (the hero and him).He is the opposite one.He didn't served Beliar,he just use the power given by Beliar to create chaos.Beliar is a god and doesn't need to come in this world,he only wants destruction.So we're torys to him.Give him power and see what he does with it. What do you think about this version??
What about constantino from g2 who always says that will teach you some very powerful alchemy but LATER....when??
U have to know the basic alchemie skills. U can get them by Ignaz or by Sagitta. Or if u decided to became learner he will tach u the basic skills.
rockfest
26.07.2005, 12:12
I'm sorry for the mistake...i knew that but when you deliver mushroms you can ask him for what are those...he sais he might tell you about that some day .That's my question(sorry for the missunderstanding).
hmmmm, interesting idea, about the dragons rockfest...give them power so that they will destroy themselves.....hmmmm really interesting...I like it.
EDIT:
I forgot to say that it is just like in our days, people discovered weapons and atomic bombs and we destroy each other.....
ThorTheViking
27.07.2005, 02:05
I say go to beliars realm and cut his head of.
rockfest
27.07.2005, 08:15
I must say Thor that your ideea with cutting beliars head is original.I should try a summon of beliar(myself) promise him that i'll serve him...etc. all that bullshit and when he'll grant me the POWER :eek: i'll cut his head from his body...nice try no????
I'm sorry for the mistake...i knew that but when you deliver mushroms you can ask him for what are those...he sais he might tell you about that some day .That's my question(sorry for the missunderstanding).
You can make sth to smoke out of it (for the water pipe) or eat 50 of them (without a brake).
So it's possible to smoke your own tobacco with water pipe?
I've never been Constantino's apprentice. Because.. i.. hmm.. what's the word.. Because i'm lazy and it's easier to become some other master's apprentice. Don't like to search for his stupid herbs.
rockfest
27.07.2005, 16:08
Yes you could do that but he doesn't say it.Exactly in the moment before the departure with the ship(it's kind of his last chance of saying something about it) he says: "Who knows, maybe i'll tell you someday".The hell with him...he's stupid anyway
alexxx2k5
20.12.2005, 19:04
why are the dragons servants of beliar ?
beliar chose the beast, no.......but like thor said scavs and other animals are beasts who attack on instinct........maybe animals other than dragons serve adanos
rockfest
20.12.2005, 19:16
why are the dragons servants of beliar ?
beliar chose the beast, no.......but like thor said scavs and other animals are beasts who attack on instinct........maybe animals other than dragons serve adanos
:eek: this thread is so old. *g*... :D
Anyway...i think that the dragons serve Beliar because the avatar(his chosen) entered in the body of one...we discused something about dragons in another thread....there someone said the dragons are natural evil while others said that there more than one kind of dragons wich have different alignments.
WernerTWC
20.12.2005, 19:26
:eek: this thread is so old. *g*... :D
Anyway...i think that the dragons serve Beliar because the avatar(his chosen) entered in the body of one...we discused something about dragons in another thread....there someone said the dragons are natural evil while others said that there more than one kind of dragons wich have different alignments.
That i had wrote:
I think, that the soul of the sleeper went into the soulstone of the UD, his dead body was awaked,... so he is not "controled" by beliar, like the hero also not beeing controled by innos,... they are both avatars of them, choosen ones, but not really controlled, ... hope you understand what i mean?! :)
About the other dragons i had the idea, they all have no soulsstones in their inventory, but in eastern-myth mostly dragons are shown with a soulstone which includes the dragons might and soul.
So i think (only an idea) that the soulstones of the dragons were stolen by servants of beliar, so now beliar got his hands on the soulstones, thats why the dragons are forced to do what he wants.
But imho they are not bad dragons from the beginning of their existence.
alexxx2k5
20.12.2005, 20:07
Here's another mistery:
at the begining of the game (g2) where u go and meet Lester there's a cave with 4 rats, the rats are not the issue but the gravestone is. I mean it says Lotar......there is another gravestone with the same name near the tavern i think, where there are molerats.
Did the guy die twice? or was Lotar a common name?
yeah i checked and even the dates are the same
Here's another mistery:
at the begining of the game (g2) where u go and meet Lester there's a cave with 4 rats, the rats are not the issue but the gravestone is. I mean it says Lotar......there is another gravestone with the same name near the tavern i think, where there are molerats.
Did the guy die twice? or was Lotar a common name?
yeah i checked and even the dates are the same
it's Iotar not Lotar i think...
and another mistery(if you do not already know it) in a graveyard(somewhere near sekob's farm, from sagitta's cave to the right) on the stones there are written PB Team's names :) just search it and you'll find the team
alexxx2k5
20.12.2005, 21:13
with last words and all :p
i knew they were someone important just not quite WHO
oh yeah those with the last words were near inubis, not sekob
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